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Pt.2 Scientists who believe in God for Doc L.

Joanne
794 posts
Sep 27, 2009
8:55 PM
At present there are thousands of scientists in every field who consider creationism as a serious scientific alternative to evolution. Most of these men and women were educated in humanistic, evolutionary schools so are familiar with all the arguments for it and against the Bible. Yet because of their studies they have come to the conclusion that the real facts do support the creation viewpoint as stated in the book of Genesis and have come to accept the Christian faith. This blog presents 15 scientists who are presently alive and working in their field.

1. Dr. James Allan - M.Sc. Agric., Ph.D., retired senior lecturer in genetics, University of Stellenbosch, South Africa; researched genetics of fruit flies, snails, chickens, dairy cattle and fish - believed theory of evolution for 40 yrs. but was converted to Christianisty through church, bible study and his studies in genetics; had considered creationist interpretations of the evidence nonsense, but in the last decade has comed to believe these to be perfectly reasonable and intellectually acceptable; “I've observed 40 generations of selecion of fruit flies. I've seen lots of defective flies because of mutations, but I've never seen new, additional genetic information appear which would give hope to evolutionists. The belief in amoeba-to-man evolution needs a huge amount of new genetic information...natural processes don't create new DNA information.”

2. Dr. Raymond V. Damadian - developed the technology for the MRI (magnetic resonance imaging); his interest in the idea of MRI attracted much opposition and many doubters, stating that his idea was beyond what the theory of physics would allow; today the MRI is a world-famous, multibillion dollar technology; “Dr. Damadian says emphatically that his greatest scientific discovery was to find that "the highest purpose a man can find for his life is to serve the will of God"; in 2003 the Nobel Prize for Medicine went to this breakthrough in diagnostic MRI scanning to 2 scientists who built on his work but it did not include Dr. Damadian; this stunned virtually all who worked in that field including the dean of the University of New York College where his pioneering work was done; in 2001 he was given the lifetime achievement award from the Lemelson-MIT program as the man who invented the MRI scanner; even the New York Times & the Scientific American raised the issue; Michael Ruse, an atheist Canadian philosophy professor who has fought creationism in US court cases writes that the likely reason Damadian was rejected was because his belief in the Genesis creation, a belief he did not hide; how's that for persecution of a type? Dr. D received the National Medal of Technology from President Regan, the nation's highest honour in technology and in 1989 weas inducted into the Inventors Hall of Fame.
3. Chang-Sha Fang -B.Sc. (Hons.), M.Sc.; a plant pathologist working in Australia; - Born in Malaysia and had a Christian upbringing but strayed from his faith while in college “because for so many years I had been brainwashed to believe the lie of evolution and deny my Creator and Saviour” but did return to his original faith; according to the evolutionist goo-to-you theory, lots of new genetic information, that was nowhere in the world previously, had to have been generated somehow; from his own field of science Chang-Sha states “that selection can only choose from the genetic information that is already there in that population” whatever the method, it cannot create any new information but rather gets rid of it.

4. Dr. Atomic Chuan Tse Leow, Ph.D. (toxicology), B.Agr. Sc. (Hons.), Dip.C.S. (summa cum laude), Dip. Ed., head of Biotechnology Specialist Unit at Tmasek School of Applied Science in Singapore - in a suicidal rage shouted at God to reveal himself and found his answer by reading Genesis; He states of the brain “There are 100 billion nerve cells (several times more glial cells) all integrated and functioning and connected to many others in complex circuits. Something like that cannot have come by itself, it has to be designed. I see the wonder of God everywhere in my work....in fact I see God everywhere in science.”

5. Dr. Ian Macreadie - principle research scientist at the Biomolecular Research Institute of Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization; research in biology and microbiology; a leading AIDS researcher; states “evolution would argue for things improving, whereas I see everything falling to pieces. Genes being corrupted, mutations (mistakes as DNA is copied) causing an increase in community burden of inherited diseases; all you see in the lab is either gene duplications, reshuffling of existing genes, or defective genes (with a loss of information) ...you never see any new information arising in a cell“.

6. Dr. George Marshall - B.Sc. (Hons), M. Med. Sci., PhD. Opthalmic Science, Chartered Biologist status and member of the Institute of Biology; lectures to doctors in ophthalmic medicine; main field is research into eye diseases; states “The more I study the human eye, the harder it is to believe that it evolved. Most people see the miracle of sight. I see a miracle of complexity on viewing things at 100,00 times magnification. It is the perfection of this complexity that causes me to baulk at evolutionary theory;” tells students to recognize that science can become a "religion" in its own right with scientists saying something and the general public accepting or "worshiping" it without question.

7. Dr. David Pennington - first plastic surgeon to successfully reattach a human ear; states “the more you look, and the smaller you get the more you find...as medical students 30 years ago we were told, "We don't understand this; we don't understand that..." and now that we're understanding some of these things they are astonishingly more complex than we ever thought...you can argue till the cows come home about the science, ultimately it boils down to evolution being a faith and Christianity a faith.”

8. Professor Richard Porter - professor of Orthopedic Surgery at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland; Director of Education & Training for the Royal College of Surgeons; D.Sc. for research on spinal stenosis; awarded Syme professorship for work on "club foot"; states “From my understanding of human anatomy and physiology and my understanding of God, I say that the form of God's creation always matches its function. To students he says We need lots of young people who love the Lord to make a career in science...they will discover that God's thoughts, which match His revealed Word, are written into creation.”

9. Dr. Walter J. Veith, B.Sc (Hons), M.Sc (cum laude), Ph.D, professor at the University of the Western Cape, South Africa where he held the chair of zoology; was an evolutionist and an atheist, who through his interest and study in biblical prophecy and the confirmation of the Dead Sea Scrolls of the book of Daniel, was led to the rest of the bible including Genesis; found too many problems with evolutionary theory including natural selection. “Natural selection never increases the number of variants, it only decreases them. So my problem with it was, "How does a mechanism that makes less and less end up making more and more On chance mutation...all these new genes coding for new features, all interacting precisely with one another, continually arising as animals get more complex, by chance. To believe that you would have to have a lot of faith. It's not something I see in my work as a zoologist."

10. Dr. John Baumgardner - B.Sc., M.Sc., Ph.D. (UCLA); geophysicist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico; work involves detailed computer modeling of the structure and processes of the earth's interior, as well as a variety of other fluid dynamics phenomena; has developed a computer code for modeling the earth's mantle using the finite element technique which performs very well on the new, large supercomputers & funded by NASA; regarding the continental breakup and large-scale plate tectonic activity which broke apart the continents “an amazing example of scientific revolution“...but it “did not go far enough, because the scientific community neglected and suppressed the evidences for catastrophism - largescale, rapid change - throughout the geological record…“ the time scale that these scientists are using therefore is much too long. On the Genesis flood: “The strong weight of evidence is that there was a massive catastrophe, corresponding to the Genesis flood, which involved large and rapid continental movements“; a verse-by-verse study in the Gospel of John at age 26 brought him to the point of deciding for Christ; well-schooled in evolution but realized there were problems with the idea; when exposed to the evidence for a young earth realized that there was a solid case for it; believes that the phylosophical biases of a scientist affects the way he approaches problems and interprets the evidence... “So it's not simply facts speaking for themselves - the framework one starts from can and does profoundly affect the conclusions that are drawn.”

11. Jim Farquhar - B.Sc., M.Sc., geologist who has worked in the mining industry in Zimbabwe, South Africa and Australia for 35 years; realizes that the truth and authority of the Bible is the number one issue in Christianity as the major Christian doctrines are grounded in the literal, historical book of Genesis; on presumed ages of rocks “The only reason that these presumed 'ages' are used in the (mining) industry is to give a correlation of rocks, to be able to say these rocks belong to a certain group, which is more or less, likely to contain a particular type of ore;” states that this classification can be done in other ways without even mentioning years…“When we geologists try to interpret what happened to form a particular set of rocks, it is not some hard science, like testing the laws of gravity. It involves, deduction, speculation, all sorts of fallible human opinions. The point is that the facts in the rocks don't just 'speak for themselves'...interpreting the past is ultimately a fallible human exercise “

12.Dr. Danny Faulkner - B.S. 9Math), M.S. (physics), M.A. & Ph.D. (astronomy); associate professor of physics and astronomy; is greatly concerned about people who put absolute faith in the formation of the universe by the big bang theory, although it is the dominant model he states that it is one with many problems and the model keeps changing to make it fit the existing data; gives an example that shows how the universe is not really that old at all - “There is the moon. Due to tidal friction, this is slowly spiralling away from the earth, which is slowing down its rotation. If you calculate back a billion and a half years, the moon would have been in direct contact with the earth. So that is a very strong indicator that the moon can't be even a third as old as the claimed 4.5 billion years...Also theory suggests we should find plenty of, say, million-year-old supernova remnants, but we don't find any - though there are many that are thousands of years old...a startling result if you really believe in a universe that's millions of years old”
On God's creation: “I think the universe is a mighty beautiful place - I view God as the supreme artist.”

13. Dr. Andy McIntosh - professor of thermodynamics and holder of the chair at Leeds university, U.K.; doesn't believe that the studies of scientists working on evolution are incorrect, but just that because they are starting with certain assumptions that need to be exposed; for example, a basic premise is that design is dismissed without ever being considered a possible option; his favourite example are creatures which fly - look at a jumbo jet - “I watched the careful manoeuvring as it came to land, as the great big flaps came out at the back, increasing the size of the wing to get more lift so as to fly at a much slower speed. I was struck by all the design that went into that wing in order to make sure it worked. Now, are we to say that the birds which come to land every day weren't designed? I would take issue with people like Richard Dawkins, with his view that flight somehow came about by chance, just because some creature took a jump, then mutation added bits to its structure, so it could jump farther, and so on. It just doesn't fit...you find that those creatures which are flying now and are also fossilized in the rocks were essentially the same then as they are now. There is no sign at all of any gradual change.”

13. Joe Sebeny - rocket scientist; aerospace engineer with over 20 years experience in the defense industry, works for Raytheon Company, the world's largest tactical missile producer; earned 2 degrees from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, in physics and aeronautical/astronautical engineering at 19; masters in electrical engineering; as a leader of a project team he stresses that he is responsible for designing things that work; states “we spend hundreds of millions of dollars and loads of intelligent man-hours making something work that is nowhere near as complex as a living thing - say a bird. Yet the seeking sensors on our best missiles pale into significance next to the incredible sensory abilities of the eyes of, say, the Pereguine Falcon as it hunts. But people today, even many of my engineering colleagues who really should know better, are conditioned to switch off their brains and slip into the belief that these things are undesigned, that there is no ultimate, historical information source for all the incredible information in those living things.” On the Bible and the Genesis record of creation: “The best way to read any part of the Bible is straighforwardly, the way it was meant to be understood. On radiometric dating: Science tells me that it is absolutely impossible to age-date anything without knowing something about the history of what you are trying to date. You need to make a whole bunch of assumptions, but without someone to tell you to some extent what the history was, you have no idea whether your assumptions are correct or not.”

14. Dr. John G. Harnett - Ph.D (physics) with distinction, involved in many research projects, holds 2 patents; when people have trouble believing in a young age universe because distant stars and galaxies are millions of light years away, he states that it does not mean that the light took millions of years to get to earth, by our standards; he emphasizes that a light-year is a measurement of distance not time - an expression used to tell how far away something is, not how long it took the light to get to earth; On the big bang: “Most people think that the big bang has been worked out...there are differing versions of the big bang model...not everyone agrees...by inserting a few unproven assumptions at your starting point, you can end up with virtually any model you like...modern ideas about the origin of the universe contain lots of complicated mathematical theories and formulas...in most cases these formulas are not provable or testable, they remain completely theoretical and the models they support are based on unprovable starting assumptions;” On the Genesis account of creation: “Now I know that God did create it all, and when He says He did, I'm just eager to find out more about how. And, in the process, to help Christians give increasingly powerful answers to defend and share their faith.”

15. Dr. Emil Silvestru - Ph.D.; associate professor in karst sedimentology, world authority on cave geology; a former atheist who began to doubt the dogma he had been taught; came to realize that the order and beauty of the world could not have come from chaos and randomness - there had to be a designer; “I am now convinced of a six-day, literal, recent, Genesis creation. That doesn't mean that there are not still some unanswered problems, but researching such issues is what being a scientist is all about;” on the dating of speleothems (includes features such as stalagmites ) “For someone like me who has been going into caves for over 30 years, some of the speleothems, not thicker than 2-4 inches, yielded ages over 200,00 years. Given what is known about karst processes, this is virtually inconcievable. The dates are way too old. Growth rates for stalagmites of several centimeters per year have been measured. When one does the calculations...even the tens of thousands of years assumed by evolutionists would mean we should see many more massive stalagmites that we actually find.”

Resource:
The Genesis Files, edited by Carl Wieland, Master Books, 2004

Growing in Him - Joanne

Dr Leakey
413 posts
Sep 29, 2009
11:11 PM
Published by P.Bell in Mensa magazine in 2002,Bell concluded:Of 43 studies carried out since 1927 on the relationship between religious belief and one's intelligence and/or educational level,all but four found an inverse connection.The higher one's intelligence the less one is likely to be religious or hold beliefs of any kind. It is unbelievable that you managed to find 15 dumb scientists.
Rick
1169 posts
Sep 30, 2009
7:35 AM
It is believable you may spend eternity in Hell with your father the devil.
On that day the devil will just look at you and laugh...Fool
Serge
1556 posts
Sep 30, 2009
8:57 AM
What intelligence are we talking about here Leak?

The one that measures IQ equivalency relying solely on half the human brain?

COME ON, the systems of education and teachings of man are dumbing us down, truly intelligent people do not boast in their IQs for they know that this system shows only your capacity to be brainwashed, conformed to the endoctrinations of MAN, that if you respond correctly to what you were taught BY MAN,you will get a cookie...or if you believe hard enough and demonstrate appropriate BEHAVIOR, and believe in your HEART that you are a descendant of the CHIMPS you will be rewarded by your peers for accepting the dogma of their philosophical thoeories, AND if lucky enough, you might get a banana, get real man!

Supernatural means above the natural, meaning that God is above your ability to freely think

Here is part of the SECULAR definition of Supernatural BTW:

The term supernatural or supranatural (Latin: super, supra "above" + natura "nature") pertains to an order of existence beyond the scientifically visible universe.[wikipedia]

True intelligence comes from the Lord and is stored in both the brains and the HEART and only Jesus Christ can build the bridge between the two.

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Joanne
800 posts
Sep 30, 2009
9:19 PM
Doc L:
It is unbelievable that you managed to find 15 dumb scientists.

Response:
Why do you constantly resort to name calling? I have given you a list of highly intelligent, qualified scientists who believe in God. They all studied in secular universities and got their degrees under that system. They are not stupid by any long shot.

I would like to see you tell Dr. Jonathan Sarfati, face-to-face that he is dumb. Dr. Sarfati has published in a number of secular journals, including co-authoring a paper in the major journal Nature when only 21 years old. His PhD in chemistry was awarded for a thesis entitle “A Spectroscopic Study of Some Chalcogenide Ring and Cage Molecules.” He has written several books and other papers. This chess master has played the game with 12 opponents at once, blind-folded while his opponents called out their moves, and won. He is a vry intelligent individual who happens to believe in God.

There are many more like him and you can find them at if you go to:
http://creation.com/creation-scientists.

Growing in Him - Joanne

Dr Leakey
416 posts
Sep 30, 2009
10:26 PM
I didnt call anybody any names. I am merely pointing out a fact. For example..... #14. Dr. John G. Harnett -On the Genesis account of creation: “Now I know that God did create it all, and when He says He did, I'm just eager to find out more about how. And, in the process, to help Christians give increasingly powerful answers to defend and share their faith.”
This idiot claims he"knows" that God created it all? He is an idiot for stating such a thing given his credentials. I can assure you he does not"know"! 10. Dr. John Baumgardner - B.Sc., M.Sc., Ph.D. (UCLA); geophysicist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico; On the Genesis flood: “The strong weight of evidence is that there was a massive catastrophe, corresponding to the Genesis flood, which involved large and rapid continental movements“;...This stupidity is what tells me the man is dumb. Any Geologist worthy of his credentials knows the flood story to be false. There just is no evidence of a world wide flood.Period! Professor Richard Porter - professor of Orthopedic Surgery at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland; awarded Syme professorship for work on "club foot"; states “From my understanding of human anatomy and physiology and my understanding of God, I say that the form of God's creation always matches its function.....another idiot...Gods creation always matches its function??????? What is the function of your perfectly created wisdom teeth,which evolution is slowly discarding? What a stupid man! I wish i had the time to sit here and provide you with more examples. If you would do your own research instead of ramming your nose in your fairytale book,you would appear alot more educated. xoxo

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Joanne
803 posts
Oct 02, 2009
2:49 PM
Leakey: You called the scientists dumb and now you are calling them stupid and idiots. If that isn't name-calling then I would like to know what is. As I said, these men studied in secular universities and got their credentials satisfying the demands of those universities and they all work in the secular scientific field. They just happen to believe in God and creation. Not everyone believes the nonsense of your myth.

There is plenty of evidence for a world-wide flood and some day I may tackle that. Before you make such all-encompassing statements I would give you back your own advice - do some research and quit spouting off what people have written in the faiy-tale book of evolutionism.

Growing in Him - Joanne

hannah123
475 posts
Oct 02, 2009
4:00 PM
Joanne, excellent post and research. Thank you. I knew of only a few of these wonderful men of Science. And don't be too hard on Leakey. He is reduced to name-calling because he has no other argument. We used to do it when we were kids, remember???

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Loving the LORD more every day

Hannah123aka Audrey

Joanne
804 posts
Oct 02, 2009
4:11 PM
Audrey - I expect to be able to carry on an intelligent convesation with out all the name-calling tactic. It only shows a lack of knowledge on the subject.

Joanne

Joanne
805 posts
Oct 02, 2009
4:24 PM
Doc. L: Let's take a look at Dr. John Baumgardner, whom you called a less than credible scientist for believing in a world-wide flood.

Dr. John Baumgardner became a follower of Jesus when he was working on a Ph.D. in electrical engineering. While on a four-year tour of duty at the Air Force Weapons Laboratory, he engaged in gas dynamic laser research. Then he joined the staff of Campus Crusade for Christ.

Upon realizing that Noah’s Flood involved a planetary-scale tectonic catastrophe, he left Campus Crusade to begin a Ph.D. program in geophysics at UCLA in order to obtain the expertise and credentials to address the problem of the mechanism of the Genesis Flood at a professional scientific level. His Ph.D. thesis research involved the development of a 3-D spherical-shell finite-element model for the earth’s mantle, a program now known as TERRA. This model has been used by numerous scientists in their studies.

Upon completing his Ph.D. in geophysics and space physics, he accepted a position as a staff scientist in the Theoretical Division at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where he continued his research in planetary mantle dynamics, including the potential for catastrophic mantle overturn.

He presented his work describing this mechanism for the Genesis Flood, now known as ‘catastrophic plate tectonics,’ at six International Conferences on Creationism held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Dr. Baumgardner’s technical work at Los Alamos included development of a new global ocean model for investigating climate change. He served as a member of the Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth (RATE) team and led the RATE research effort on carbon-14. He retired from Los Alamos in 2004 and joined the Institute for Creation Research in 2005 where he helped develop a state-of-the-art computer program named Mendel’s Accountant for modeling of the processes of mutation and natural selection.

In 2008 he joined Logos Research Associates, a collaborative network of Christian research scientists whose focus is origins and earth history issues from a Biblical perspective.

Now tell me again that this man is not worthy of his credentials!

Growing in Him - Joanne

hannah123
478 posts
Oct 02, 2009
6:34 PM
Of course you are right, Joanne. I am duly chastised for my levity. Paul warned us about engaging people like Leakey in Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." We must continue to pray for Dr. Leakey.

Keep up the good work, my sister.


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Loving the LORD more every day

Hannah123aka Audrey

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Dr. Atomic Leow
1 post
Oct 16, 2009
10:16 AM
Dear Joanne (and all those who had defended the truth against Dr. Leakey in this web site),

I praised God for a faithful Christian like you who stand up against those who blaspheme against God's name and God's people. I pity this "less dumb" Dr. Leakey who speaks arrogantly against the might creator of the Universe. He will find out one day in eternity what is waiting for him.

I am now pursuing my Doctor of Medicine degree in Romania. This is my 6th degrees and yet I am giving all glory and honours to the ever lasting living God. I hope Dr. Leakey will repent of his sins to God less the judgment of God catch up with him.

Kindest regards,

Dr. Atomic Leow
B.Agr.Sc(H0ns),Dip.Ed.,PhD(Toxicology),Dip.CS(1st class honours)MDiv(1st class honours)
MD student of University GT Popa of Medicine and Pharmacy in Iasi, Romania

Joanne
829 posts
Oct 16, 2009
10:34 AM
Dr. Leow
Thank you for your response. It is great to hear of scientists who have not been swayed by the humanist evolutionary hypothesis. Your continued stand for God is appreciated and will be rewarded by our Father.

Growing in Him - Joanne

Dr. Atomic Leow
2 posts
Oct 30, 2009
9:14 PM
Thank you Joanne, Rick, Serge and Hannah for fearlessly defending the name of our loving heavenly Father. May God continue to bless and protect you and your ministry.
Mary
939 posts
Oct 31, 2009
11:03 AM
John 14:17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you.

2 Tim 1:10 and now has manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought to life and immortality to light through the gospel.

Abolishing death through a fantastic telling of our God our Savior.

Dr. Leakey, God is able to save.

Nothing is too hard for God.

God conquered death and offers you eternal life. Put aside your worship of this world and choose eternal life.

Mary

Serge
1671 posts
Oct 31, 2009
1:24 PM
Thank you Dr Leow,

Great to have you here and may our Lord protect you and yours.

I was wondering by looking at your field of study and work, what are your thoughts about what is going on with the h1n1 and the vaccinations?

Thank you

Serge

Dr. Atomic Leow
3 posts
Nov 01, 2009
8:45 AM
Dear Serge,

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has projected that as many as 40 percent of all Americans may be affected by the H1N1 virus, commonly called the "swine flu," either by contracting the disease or caring for someone who has it. It is natural to have some concern of H1N1 virus, but thank God the majority of H1N1 cases that have been infected to date had mild symptoms. As a medical student who needs to attend the hospital, I do not really worry by it as most infected cases show only mild symptoms. My youger daugther Dr. Fiona Leow is a medical doctor in Melbourne, Australia, and recently she had to treat a patient infected by H1N1 virus. As a result she was infected by the patient. Thank God, she too developed mild symptoms and she quickly recovered with Tamiflu treatment.

With regards to H1N1 vaccination, it is quite safe to take the vccination. Please refer to the following web site for more information on the safety aspect of H1N1 vaccination.

http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/is-the-h1n1-swine-flu-vaccine-safe

God bless and kindest regards,

Dr. Atomic Leow

Dr. Atomic Leow
4 posts
Nov 01, 2009
1:12 PM
Dear Serge and Mary,

Also to let Serge know that just ONLY one dose of vaccine is needed for protection against pandemic H1N1 flu and the jabs have so far proved to be safe, said the World Health Organisation (WHO). I am going to have my shot soon.

Mary, you are a kind soul to pray for Dr. Lealey's salvation. You are an exemplified example for Chistians to follow. I hope Dr. Leakey will be touched by your geninue concern for his eternal salvation.

Well done sister.

Dr. Atomic Leow

anah_shalom
265 posts
Nov 01, 2009
4:02 PM
Do not take the vaccine unless you want to end up like this young woman. Dont play the lottery game with your life.

Also read these two articles

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/08/07/swine-flu-health-expert-warning/does-virus-vaccine-increase-risk-of-cancer.html


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hannah123
507 posts
Nov 02, 2009
7:05 AM
Here in Canada, there are very long lines for the flu shot and not enough vaccines to suffice. There are very few reports circulating about how people have fared after receiving the shot. Pastor Rod prayed for us last night, and I feel very protected. Still, I will take allprecautions with hand-washing, etc.

Father in Heaven, I plead the Blood of Jesus as I ask for protection from this swine flu for all my brethren here on the Forum. Keep our bodies healthy, LORD, and keep fear out of our hearts. Your Word states in 2 Timothy 1:7: "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." We cling to this promise, LORD, in the Name of Jesus.


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Loving the LORD more every day

Hannah123aka Audrey

Dr. Atomic Leow
5 posts
Nov 02, 2009
8:34 AM
Dear sisters Ananh and Hannah,

When I was studying at the medical school of University of East Anglia in UK three years ago, we were told by numerous Professors of Medicine that many of the general public are apprehensive of getting vaccination because of a very few cases of complications arising from vaccination. However, such complications are very very rare, for example for the swine flu vaccine, it has been calculated by the health authorities that for every one million who get the flu shot, one or two will get a serious neurological reaction called Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS). But flu itself causes serious problems, including GBS, in far more than two in a million cases. And since a large proportion of the population will get swine flu, the vaccine risk is far smaller than the disease risk. Indeed, the history of vaccination dated back to 1796, when the first ground breaking human vaccine, by Dr. Edward Jenner in 1796, was derived from the benign cowpox virus, which provided immunity to small pox. Without this small pox vaccine, this dreaded disease will not be able to be wiped out from the surface of this earth.

God has given us medical science, we should trust what God has most kindly given us. Have faith in our modern medical sciences, I believe your fears are largely unfounded.

Kindest regards,

Dr. Atomic Leow

Serge
1675 posts
Nov 02, 2009
8:59 AM
O dear Dr Leow,

with all due respect sir, i will very kindly disagree with you ,

You said:

"God has given us medical science, we should trust what God has most kindly given us. Have faith in our modern medical sciences, I believe your fears are largely unfounded."

Science is not our God, just a human tool that must be counter checked constantly.

God has given us His knowledge and His Wisdom and His Discernement when we humbly submitted and humbled ourselves before Him and asked Him to guide us.

The Word of God is clear Dr, we are not to trust in men nor in princes but to put our trust in God alone, especially for healing us as God alone heals and said right schmack in the very middle of the Bible:

[It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. It is] better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes. (Psalm 118:8-9)

To counter your statement, the Lord said that His people die because of the lack of knowledge, i wonder why you would simply dismiss the presence of mercury as denounced by many doctors such as Dr Ayoub in the USA and why you would dismiss the presence of aluminum in such vaccines that are pushed by financial greed by pharmaceutical companies, by a religious agenda such as Eugenics, do you really think that we still just educate ourselves via television?

Our sources of news are now more sophisticated sir, i could understand that you care for people but to say that our concerns are unfounded seems to me a bit overstated...


Hoping you will reconsider

Serge

Dr. Atomic Leow
6 posts
Nov 02, 2009
10:15 AM
Could the Christian medics please kindly commend. I am lost for words.

Dr. Atomic Leow

Serge
1678 posts
Nov 02, 2009
12:07 PM
Oh don't worry Dr Leow,

I don't bite, i am known here to either debate or confront or challenge but i sure will give you respect.

In return, what you can expect from me is someone who compares everything with God's Word.

Blessings to you and yours

Serge

Dr. Atomic Leow
7 posts
Nov 02, 2009
7:56 PM
Dear Serge,

Thank you for your kind understanding, it is greatly appreciated.

Kindest regards and God bless.

Dr. Atomic Leow

Serge
1681 posts
Nov 03, 2009
8:52 AM
That said Dr Leow, wat are your thoughts about Aluminum and Mercury in the vaccines, aren't you concerned with that and with the forced vaccinations in the USA?

What about the doctors and nurses that tell us to stay away from the vaccines?

What are your thoughts on all of this please?

In Christ Jesus

Serge

Joanne
852 posts
Nov 04, 2009
11:05 AM
God has given us medicine as a tool to heal the sick. In most cases it has been used wisely, although there are instances where it has not. Example - abortion. Vaccination is one of those tools that as saved millions of lives but as in every case of vaccination or medicine or surgery or other treatment such as physio and chiropractic, for example, there is an element of risk. I just read about one hospital in the U.S. where, in one month, three seperate operations had been done on wrong body parts. Medicine is not fool-proof. There is always risk.

I got the H1N1 because I consider the flu risk to myself and others I may infect, more severe than the minute amounts of additives to the shot.

Yes we need to use our heads and try to decipher the amount of literature out there regarding H1N1and other "scares." But everyone has to make their own decision as to whether they should receive the shot or not and not resort to "scare tactics" to convince others of their decision.

In Him - Joanne

Serge
1687 posts
Nov 04, 2009
1:49 PM
That is the most intelligent way of lloking at it all, thanks Joanne!

But weren't you concerned about aluminum or mercury? What did you find in your research of this, mind to share please?

Thanks

Serge

hannah123
512 posts
Nov 04, 2009
3:19 PM
In my neck of the woods, the vaccine will only be available for my "category" as of December 7th. I'm not really all that worried about the flu. But my husband is another matter. He is highly exposed to the public in confined spaces and gets sneezed and coughed on regularly. I hadn't really planned on getting the vaccine but I'm not afraid of it.

That said, the amount of mercury on the vaccine, from what I've read, amounts to two servings of tuna.

I agree with Joanne. We have much to thank medicine for, but there are some glaring exceptions. I'm not a big conspiracy buff, despite all the stuff I've read. Will I get the vaccine? We'll see how things develop in the next 4 weeks.


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Loving the LORD more every day

Hannah123aka Audrey

Serge
1688 posts
Nov 04, 2009
3:26 PM
Thanks Audrey,

i must admit that i often have my nose in the conspiracies and i avoid saying theories on purpose because of all the verifiable facts by varying sources, i guess that the best approach is for every individual to seek God's Wisdom first and then get educated on a topic such as this one, the same applies to voting By The Way! : )

Have a great evening in the Lord sisters!

Serge

Dr Leakey
434 posts
Nov 04, 2009
11:01 PM
This is so idiotic! If your beloved pastor has prayed for you to not get the virus then why do you take further precautions?????????????? You know full well that prayers do not change anything! If you truly believed in the power of prayer you would not be turning to science to save your sorry behinds. Calling you hypocrites would be an understatement!
jonzy
929 posts
Nov 04, 2009
11:32 PM
dear neighbour from UK,dr.A.L., thank you for joining in the 'good fight' for the hearts/minds of all neighbours here on this blog/neighbour-hood.____there is a old story of a King of Isreal who had a near-death illness, was repentant and saved by the 'Loving hand of GOD', but after returning to good health several years went by, he leaned again on his men of medicine for the healing, and did loose sight "from where his healing had come";___my point is that, the 'Good one does for others',{ie. assisting ones body/mind too gain health/wellness}, is always with the "GOD willing, healing power"; and as our Lord Jesus stated , "with-out prayer and fasting", some things are hard to change for US humans, but with GOD all-things are possible.____with love\peace/understanding of all neighbours, i-daniel, pray to my GOD in the name of his anointed/RESERECTED_LIVING-SON, my Lord JESUS Christ.

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Serge
1695 posts
Nov 05, 2009
9:41 AM
WOW, We got Super Mario coming on the forum and the king of insults, i do not care about that virus and i do not care about the science, i believe that my God can cure any disease whether man made or not, what i care about is for the health of those that have not received Jesus as Lord and Savior in their hearts and are under threat by spells cast upon them by satanists or by demons themselves, its been a while since we saw you leak, what have you been up to, did you hear about the dino blood cells and soft tissue found in a 65 million year old dino?????

Look up Mary Schweitzer : )

Dr. Atomic Leow
8 posts
Nov 05, 2009
10:17 AM
Dear Dr. Leakey,

I strongly disagree with what you say about prayer does not change anything. My God had always answered my prayers, some prayers were answered almost immediately like when my life was in danger, but some prayers were only answered after quite a while, this is because God wants to mould my patience and my trust in Him. No matter what it is, He always answers my prayers. He may not always give me what I want in my prayer, but He knows what is best for me, and His decision ultimately turns out to be the right one as time unfolds. You need to believe in God before you can experience the power of prayer that is available to every Christians!Why not try Him today?

Kindest regards,

Dr. Atomic Leow

Serge
1697 posts
Nov 05, 2009
10:56 AM
Amen to that Dr Leow!

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