Gal. 4:3 So with us; when we were children, we were slaves to the elemental spirits of the universe.

Col 1:21 And you, who once were estranged and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,

Col. 2:8 See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ.

Col. 2:20 For with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the universe, why do you live as if you still belonged to the world?

Gal 4:8 Formally, when you did not know God, you were in bondage to beings that by nature are no gods;

Gal 4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be know by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and beggarly elemental spirits, whose slave you want to be once more?

Col. 3:5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you; immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.

Col 2:15 He disarmed the principalities and powers and made a public example of them, triumphing over them in him.

Eph 2:1 And you he made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.

Col 1:13 He has delivered us from the dominion of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,

Gal 5:13 For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh.

Gal. 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit and do not gratify the desires of the flesh.

Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

God Bless,
Mary

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April

"... And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom" (Mark 15:38).

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me". (John 14:6)

No need for intermediaries any longer.

It has nothing to do with the Trinity, Daniel. I still marvel that despite all the proof to the contrary, that you still don't believe in the Trinity. I fear that the spirit that visited you was an unholy spirit, Daniel.

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8

You would do well to heed Paul's words, dear brother.
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Hannah123aka Audrey

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Bill

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In love and friendship,
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Loving the LORD more every day

Hannah123aka Audrey

Isaiah 7:14: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin
will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

“Immanuel” literally means: “God with us.”
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God is the Word.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God John 1:1

Jesus is the Word.
...the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...John 1:14
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"Who can forgive sins but God only?" Mark 2:7

Jesus...said..."Son, thy sins be forgiven thee." Mark 2:5

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In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1

By him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16

All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:3
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God is Messiah.
...unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder...and his name shall be called... The mighty God, The everlasting Father... Isaiah 9:6

Jesus is Messiah.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. John 4:25-26

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Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD. Deuteronomy 6:4

I and my Father are one. John 10:30

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

Both Old and New Testaments teach the Unity and the Trinity of the Godhead. The idea that there is only one God, who created all things, is repeatedly emphasized in such Scriptures as Isaiah 45:18:

“For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; …I am the Lord; and there is none else.”

A New Testament example is James 2:19:

“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well; the devils also believe, and tremble.”

The three persons of the Godhead are, at the same time, noted in such Scriptures as Isaiah 48:16:

“I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, there am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.”

The speaker in this verse is obviously God, and yet He says He has been sent both by The Lord God (that is, the Father) and by His Spirit (that is, the Holy Spirit).

The New Testament doctrine of the Trinity is evident in such a verse as John 15:26, where the Lord Jesus said:

“But when the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, He shall testify of me.”

Then there is the baptismal formula:

“baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” (Matthew 28:19).

One name (God) — yet three names!

JESUS — That Jesus, as the only-begotten Son of God, actually claimed to be God, equal with the Father, is clear from numerous Scriptures. For example, He said:

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:8).

HOLY SPIRIT — Some cults falsely teach that the Holy Spirit is an impersonal divine influence of some kind, but the Bible teaches that He is a real person, just as are the Father and the Son. Jesus said:

“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will show you things to come” (John 16:13).

TRI-UNITY — The teaching of the Bible concerning the Trinity might be summarized thus. God is a Tri-unity, with each Person of the Godhead equally and fully and eternally God. Each is necessary, and each is distinct, and yet all are one. The three Persons appear in a logical, causal order. The Father is the unseen, omnipresent Source of all being, revealed in and by the Son, experienced in and by the Holy Spirit. The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit from the Son. With reference to God's creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.

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It would be a good thing to do your own study of the term, Nicolaitans. God does not want us uninformed.
As Audrey has pointed out, your understanding of this term does not help you with regard to the manifestation of God on earth.
If we don't know "who" Christ is, we are in deep trouble. Your eternity depends on this.
You are much loved here and no one wants to see you stumble on the corner stone as many have.
No human could ever be perfect. Ever. So what is the difference between Jesus and all of the rest of us?
Who in all of history had "no sin"?
Who spoke to Moses at the burning bush?
Who was transfigured before Peter, James and John? What did Moses and Elijah speak to him about at this time?
The manifestation of the God Head is plural.
Search it out my friend. Do not miss out on the blessings waiting for you.

When and where do you read that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is not a Trinity? In all your posts I do not see it. I have been in the Lord 31 years. I have written for Him; I have studied and studied and studied His Word, and will continue; I have gone to bible schools and have taken many classes; and not in ONE of these efforts have I EVER read a denial of the Trinity, just the opposite.

Why a born-again Christian even WANTS to deny the Trinity is beyond me. Perhaps you can better and further explain this. However, be assured I will NOT be move regarding my belief in the Trinity. I can only pray you can open your eyes and heart to see the Trinity, my brother Daniel.

The brothes and sisters above have posted more than adequate evidence of the Trinity.

Bill

In the circle of faith
frankV

The amount of Biblical evidence referring to the trinity as truth, clearly demolishes
what little people argue in reply.

Thinking the Bible is pretty clear about it...like a no-brainer !

daniel, He, Jesus was born "to die" on a Cross as God the Son so "we" could be justified. He wrote the Book. He said how He would be born and to whom. He has told us all through the OT when he was coming. It's all there. God chooses His own and we either accept or reject His Word. John 17:20 is telling you who Jesus Is. His oneness with the Father is not like your oneness with your wife, is it? We are human and corruptible but Jesus had no sin. He was/is perfect.
Only God is perfect. Your sharing and loving of the Jesus must line up with Scripture or you are as blind as the churches you feel are corrupted.

The rc church never emphasized the trinity and I was deeply immersed in this religion. Their emphasis was not on Jesus. It was on works. It was on the law. It was on fear. It was on saints of old. It was wrong.
If this church showed us anything, it showed us that power corrupts and the Scriptures can be misinterpreted by anyone. (Peter was not the Rock nor was he a leader of the church) Jesus is the leader because He is God. For the sake of the Jew He took Davids throne. For the sake of us gentiles he grafted us in. Who can do this? No human, daniel.

It's not what you know it's "Who" you know that gets you into heaven.

Here's simple question for you. If there is no Trinity then why does God say in Genesis 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR image..."? Who is being referred to if not Father, Son & Holy Spirit, three distinct persons in one God? The doctrine of the Trinity is clearly evident in the 1st chapter of the Bible....unless you can explain it away somehow.

Tyler

The scriptures are VERY CLEAR about the Trinity. That you are unable to comprehend it can only mean the enemy is clouding your ability to see it. My freind, you had better pray very hard for the Spirit to open your eyes about the truth of the Trinity. The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are One God manifest in three persons. It is evident from Genesis to Revelation.

Tyler

I do apologize for not answering you sooner!
I use the KJV.

I understand this topic is on your heart. It is difficult to understand, God as three persons but it is who God is and how He communicates to His creation.

You see, the beauty of God as Christ the Son, means that God himself, died for our sins. The amazing LOVE that God has for us that He came to earth in the form of man and gave Himself for us. Equally, loving and amazing is that God, Himself, indwells us after we repent and accept Him, Christ, the Savior Son.

In the words of the Son, Himself:

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."

I am. That is God. God is the Great, I AM.

God Bless,
Mary

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When all things are created by someone, it makes someone God. Go through this word by word once again.

I have this grandson who brought over a dvd on which was all of the galaxies. We are but tiny minded humans, daniel but God is SO BIG.

Remember in Job it says "Where were you Oh man when I threw the stars into space." That was Jesus talking daniel. Jesus is God.
And He did it all for YOU.:)

Still praying for you kid.

What did Jesus say..I am the I am.
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Laura and April, great points reinforcing Yeshua as God.

Dear Brother jonzy, I can see that you are not going to move off of your belief. I do appreciate your love for Yeshua and will leave off with this on this point.

Concerning your point on Trinitarians being responsible for people not being able to find salvation, I disagree.

I would say the greatest cause of people not finding salvation lies within the neglegence of "the fathers".
God specifically puts the responsibility on the father to raise up the child and teach the faith.
If young people and people in general are not understanding God and the faith, it is primarily the fault of each specific father.

Yours in Yeshua The Son,
Mary

my children call me dad/dadio/pip.

daniel, you are called three separate things yet you are just one person!!!!!!!!! lwl

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duck soup...and...horse feathers

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Rom 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.

Rom 15:2 Let every one of us please [his] neighbour for [his] good to edification.

Rom 15:3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.
Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Rom 15:5 Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be like minded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 15:7 Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.

Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers:
Rom 15:9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for [his] mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
Rom 15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
Rom 15:11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
Rom 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
Rom 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
Rom 15:14 And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.
Rom 15:15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,
Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

daniel,
I believe what has been said was meant to reflect your former statements about You will never be your father even tho some say you look just like him.
But, in Spirit and truth you will look like your heavenly Father through Christ Jesus blood on the Cross.

It's not what you are but what you manifest when we apply "image and likeness" and three in one to humanness.

Your wife see's her daniel as husband with all that goes with it.
Your children see daniel(father) with love and disipline and all that goes with it.
Your boss, family, neighbors see daniel as hard worker, child, good neighbor and all that goes with this. You have different manifestations.

You are three manifestations to those who see YOU.
Physical, mental(thinking person:), spiritual.

Jesus was the physical manifestation of the Father on earth. We know He was God the Son because He said so.

John 17..." If you have seen Me you have Seen the Father"

My comment was...oh brother I give up...I can't believe it...whatever...and so on

So I am sorry if it appeared to be directed.

I don't understand why so many understand the trinity through basic Bible
scripture, and you the lone ranger are steadfast in your belief.

Don't know why Daniel, when scripture is plain and simple about this...

Rick

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You do not believe that the God of the Universe would give up part of Himself to save you?

He did.

Jesus could not send the Comforter (Holy Spirit) till He left the earth. Meaning Jesus glorified could send the Holy Spirit to us.

God is Spirit.

Who sent the Holy Spirit to us?

daniel, who was Jesus when He returned from the grave? Was he a man or a Spirit? He had no blood, yet He could eat. He could walk through buildings. He could be in more than one place at a time. He could speak.

"Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and My GOD.

To Thomas Jesus said;"Blessed are those who believe and can not see." John 20:29

All of us have had visions and revelations, daniel, but if they don't line up with Scripture they can't be from god. I found this out personally.

with love

We are saying the very same thing. They are one!!!!
but spoken of in Scripture as three persons :)

It's Scripture that mentions the three persons.
As long as we know the three are one, all is well...

Thanks my nother brother!!!!

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Here is my two cents..

Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].

What else can I or anyone else tell you Daniel...I can't prove it to you other than giving you the Word of God directly out of the Word of God(the Bible).

Stay in Jesus, and Jesus Bless you and show you the truth.
Chucky <*))><

If there were two the Holy Spirit would BE the Father.
(HE can be in all places at once and HE hovered over the womb of Mary making Himself the Father of Jesus.)

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I think you just have 2/3'd of it but at least I know where you get it.:)

GBU