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lucky
23 posts Jun 26, 2009
11:27 PM
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I would like to know where in the Bible it is written that the Devil kills or tries to kill(kill meaning end, utterly destroy, without new beginning) anyone or anything? I have not deciphered the Bible in any codes, i have read what i was able to understand, and unfortunately i have not had the time to read it in all versions, in all languages, or all through in the one version that i do cling to, the King James Version, but what i have been allowed to read of the devil, he only was present during a difficult time for the son of God(ie the son of David, and only questioned the being he was in the presence of, in a precise format, almost therapy; with all due respect, to the father of that child, (re: Jesus in the wilderness,) if there is other scripture regarding the devil's role or duty: according to the book that introduced such a being to those that follow. Please post: so that i can be more educated. Thank you.And please, refer to scripture only, do not repeat learned responses, or regard rumor as truth. if you have legitimate proof in the King James Version, (also without having to interpret, poetic references or interpretations of sights, etc. [cannot alleviate confusion regarding how rude many have been with their hatred toward an employee of God.]) Anyway, if you know an alternative regarding his position(the Devil), i would like to understand. Thanks again.
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Chucky1146
1165 posts Jun 27, 2009
8:16 AM
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Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly. The thief is refering to the Devil.. Jesus Bless, Chucky <*))><
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Mary
881 posts Jun 27, 2009
10:53 AM
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Hi Lucky & chuck, Great one Chuck. John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Mary
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bill
618 posts Jun 27, 2009
4:20 PM
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Eph. 6:11,12--"Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, aginst spiritual wickedness in high places." SATAN: Called Avaddon, angel of the bottomless pit, Apollyon, Rev. 9:11; accuser of our brethern, Rev. 12:10; adversary, I Peter 5:8; Beelzebub, Matt. 12:24 and Mark 3:22 and Luke 11:15; Belial, II Cor. 6:15; the devil, Matt. 4:1, Luke 4:2,6 and Rev. 20:2; enemy, Matt 13:39; evil spirit, I Samuel 16:14; father of lies, a liar, a murderer, John 8:44 [as above in Mary's post]; gates of hell, Matt 16:18; great red dragon, Rev. 12:3; lying spirit, I Kings 22:22; old serpant, Rev. 12:9. I have a listing twice this long, but I won't post them, unless you want them, lucky. Satan is called the ruler of darkness of this world in Eph. 6:12. In Matt. 13:19,38 he is called the wicked one. In Matt. 4:3 he is called the tempter. In Eph. 2:2 he is called the spirit that worketh in the children of disobedience. As Chucky posted, Satan will try to kill you, and if you don't know the Lord as Savior the ole devil can do with you as he wants. You find that in John, also. However, if you do know the Lord, Satan can't touch you without God's permission, just as was the case with Job. Bill
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lucky
24 posts Jun 27, 2009
7:16 PM
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Thank you for responding. I would like to share some insight if possible, regarding the language and the written text. Punctuation and first, second and third person references regarding the way the devil is spoken about. Perhaps there is some accentual diction with regards to the Devils occupation or purpose. Now; another part of this mystery, is that I have not found text or verse that God himself has been displeased with the Devil. Many have a misconception of this being and have learned to dislike this being, probably because they are (Eph 2:2) "the children of disobedience" If many people in the environment that the Devil is also present in; are being disobedient to his/her "Boss" and he or she(the Devil) has its' commands from God,(or more respectfully the Creator of All things) then none shall interfere with that function. And thank you God for inspiring the written understanding of a being assigned to; at the very least of understanding; the interpretation of some form of Justice, to put that lightly. Many beings have for too long excercised freedoms that ultimately disagree with the nurturing and growth that The Creator has extended all beings. I kinda looked at the Devils position as a sort of Law enforcement officer for the owner of the creation. A Warden if you will. But hating anything that belongs to the Creator of All things is definitely not wise. And thank all that have made an attempt to reply regarding this subject.
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anah_shalom
125 posts Jun 28, 2009
2:14 AM
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John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. lucky - "Now; another part of this mystery, is that I have not found text or verse that God himself has been displeased with the Devil." The verse above that Mary provided is God speaking negative things about the Devil. Jesus is God. ---------- "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time" - Abraham Lincoln
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lucky
25 posts Jun 28, 2009
11:51 AM
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thank goodness the book didn't read: be unto like mary. anah_shalom according to my bible and i don't like to quote sometimes, i forget the addresses of the words because perhaps it was a level of my education.Jesus is the son of David. bunch of references to this God i hope that you're comfortable, unfortunately alleviating rumors is not easy.
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DeaconTyler
272 posts Jun 28, 2009
5:43 PM
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In Matthew 4:1-11 Jesus is tempted by the devil after fasting in the wilderness for 40 days. This is a well known passage of scripture so I won't quote it here. There are several things to notice in the passage, however, as it pertains to the devil: 1. Satan knows the Bible & quotes scripture to Jesus. Important to note because there are those today who profess to know the Bible and quote scripture...but they are really "wolves in sheep's clothing" who use the Bible to further an agenda that is not for the kingdom of God but for the devil & his minions. 2. Jesus responds with scripture. This is our example. We are to do the same, to be so familiar with the Bible that we can counter any attack by the enemy when he uses similar methods to trick us. And to be prepared for those attacks. 3. Satan attempts to get Jesus to question His identity. He says to Him repeatedly "IF You are the son of God..." And satan will try to do the same with us. When we do fall down he taunts us, even after we have confessed to the Lord & recieved forgiveness & cleansing. "IF you are a Christian how could you do such a thing..." Again, Jesus sets the example in what we need to say to the devil: "Away with you satan! For it is written 'you shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve'"(Matt. 4:10) And we can claim vs. 11 as well: "The the devil left Him and, behold, angels came and ministerd to Him". Let the angels minister to you when you have sent the devil packing with an arsenal of scripture. Just praise the name of Jesus, the devil won't hang around very long!! Tyler
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bill
622 posts Jun 28, 2009
6:39 PM
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I don't know what "translation" of the Bible you are using but I highly recommend the King James Version because of its close translation from the Hebrew and Greek. However, the New King James I use a lot, also. Many of the other translations--and I have them all--can sometime explain things better, but they also leave OUT way too much, also, as far as I'm concerned. Many of the Scriptures I gave you illustrate God's displeasure with Satan. Also, Mary and Chuck's postings show His distaste for the devil's actions. In The Lord, Bill
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DeaconTyler
273 posts Jun 28, 2009
6:47 PM
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FYI I'm using the New King James Version most of the time on here. Tyler
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bill
625 posts Jun 28, 2009
7:41 PM
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Sorry, Tyler. I goofed. I meant lucky. Sorry. I kinda knew what you were using.
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jonzy
671 posts Jun 29, 2009
2:18 PM
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Good-today to all.__yes and well-come Lucky.___? are you asking, or telling?____In John 13 we can read about this satan/devil : -2-And supper being ended, the 'devil having now put into the heart of judas iscariot,Simon's son, to betray him;-3-Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from GOD, and went to GOD;___notice that the thought to betray Jesus came from the 'devil', and then notice what the un-holy spirit being did to re-inforce that thought. verse-27-And after the sop satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.______the devil wants us to believe that he was just under GOD'S orders, to do what he did and does of his own free will, but that is a LIE.____while GOD takes responsability for STARTING all creation, it is our free will choises that determine our ENDINGS.____with love\peace/understanding of all the neighbours point of view....daniel
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bill
628 posts Jun 29, 2009
5:25 PM
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Whatcha so interested in the ole devil for, Lucky?
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Laura
535 posts Jun 29, 2009
6:01 PM
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lucky is a short form for lucifer. Quote from lucky: I kinda looked at the Devils position as a sort of Law enforcement officer for the owner of the creation. A Warden if you will. But hating anything that belongs to the Creator of All things is definitely not wise. Helloooooooooooooooooo!!!! Who is doing the hating here?
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bill
630 posts Jun 29, 2009
6:39 PM
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Who turned over the rock?! Where and why are these anti-Jesus guys coming on here? I truly hate to say it, but witnessing to these people seems to be a waste of time. Has any of them EVER given their heart to the Lord?
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lucky
26 posts Jun 29, 2009
9:33 PM
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Hi, me Lucky again. I think my point is getting a little misunderstood. I don't want to debate about the scriptures of the Bible, but i comprehend a simple insight of my own and was trying to get some feedback regarding how we should regard a written tool. In a court of law in the USA the text regarding the Devil and or Satan, which i think is two different beings, the scripture would be slanderous and considered hearsay and omitted as truth regarding the moral character of that being. The authors of the Gospels and or other books within the bible are named. But the one who compilated the books and put them in order did not make him or herself known to the readers of said book and this to me is a bit cowardly. And for it to influence mistreatment of a being by shunning it away without at least respectful ettiquette, shows that it is also posing a choice of how one should conduct its meetings with others. I thought the inspiration was to love, and be a gracious well mannered individual, that would be the way a member of that church was instructed. but it is very ambiguous the true intention of the Doctrine. Anyway i am done with this topic, and looking at all the responses that i've recieved, i am still very concerned that many churches are actually teaching a form of rudeness.
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Laura
536 posts Jun 30, 2009
8:45 AM
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I believe you should study the rudeness of the Koran. For a visual aid you may look up 9/11 and see the results of it's rudeness.
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hannah123
357 posts Jun 30, 2009
3:25 PM
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Huh!! What a weird posting! The Scripture is very clear on who the devil is, and what the LORD thinks of him. Satan (the devil, that old serpent, call him what you will) "...goes about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour". Bill, Mary, Laura, Vlad, Chuck, Daniel and Daniel, I agree with you all. Satan is a murderous liar who is against everything that God wants and hopes to somehow turn aside the eventual dire fate that is awaiting him. If he can get some of us to think that he's not such a bad guy, then he has managed a little victory, short as it will be. Stay as far away from Satan as you can, Lucky. You are not as clever as him. In fact, unless you know Jesus as your Saviour and give your life to him (and I hope you do), all I can say is... good luck!!! ---------- Loving the LORD more every day
Hannah123aka Audrey
Last Edited on Jun 30, 2009 3:26 PM
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bill
633 posts Jun 30, 2009
4:31 PM
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What a ... I won't say it. I gave you, Lucky [sic], a pile of names of that one jerk that got tossed outta heaven because he thought he could out do God. He has a bunch of followers, and you're one of 'em! Don't bother me. I'm tired of talking to the godless. We can talk until we're blue in the face and they still will want to go to hell, and/or suffer the plagues of the Tribulation. But, they don't believe in that, either.
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DeaconTyler
274 posts Jun 30, 2009
4:54 PM
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Amen, Bill & all. And if Lucky percieves Truth as "rudeness" then so be it. I suppose you could say that Jesus was "rude" in some situations. But if that is what was needed to get people to "wake up" why should we do any different? This is your "rude awakening", Lucky. Tyler
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Dr Leakey
279 posts Jun 30, 2009
10:33 PM
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Laura....why are you attacking the Quran??What compelled the 19 men of faith to do what they did? Is their belief any different than yours?
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hannah123
366 posts Jul 01, 2009
7:26 AM
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The Quran tells their followers that the only way that they can be guaranteed a place in their paradise is to become a martyr. Very different from Christians who are very clear that the way to heaven is simply to repent and recognize that Jesus died for our sins. We simply have to follow Him. We do not go out and blow ourselves up in marketplaces. (Yes, yes, I know, Crusaders, etc, did terrible things in the name of "Religion", but were misguided) We follow a Saviour who is LOVE ,because Jesus told us to love God and one another (and love our enemies). By the way, we are free NOT to follow Jesus. If you are Muslim, just try and convert to Christianity or Judaism!!! Here's just a taste of the hatred they have toward the Jews, God's people: "Jihadists today routinely refer to Jews as apes and pigs; this idea is rooted in Qur’an 2:63-66; 5:59-60; and 7:166. The first of these depicts Allah telling the Jews who “profaned the Sabbath”: “Be as apes despicable!” It goes on to say that these accursed ones serve “as a warning example for their time and for all times to come.” Traditionally in Islamic theology these passages have not been considered to apply to all Jews. Ibn Abbas says that “those who violated the sanctity of the Sabbath were turned into monkeys, then they perished without offspring.” Others, however, such as the early Islamic scholar Ibn Qutaiba, held today’s apes are the descendants of the Sabbath-breaking Jews. This is widely used today as a metaphor for the Jews’ corruption, even unto bestial status. Muhammad himself began this when he addressed the Jews of the Qurayzah tribe, which he was about to massacre, as “you brothers of monkeys.” Today, the Grand Sheikh of Al-Azhar, Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, called Jews “the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs.” The Saudi Sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam of the principal mosque in Mecca, the Al-Haraam mosque, expanded on this, saying in a sermon that Jews are “the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs.” Another Saudi Sheikh, Ba’d bin Abdallah Al-Ajameh Al-Ghamidi, made the connection explicit: “The current behavior of the brothers of apes and pigs, their treachery, violation of agreements, and defiling of holy places… is connected with the deeds of their forefathers during the early period of Islam — which proves the great similarity between all the Jews living today and the Jews who lived at the dawn of Islam.” For more on this, see the excellent study by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI)."* *(Taken from an article found inthe following website: http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/17/blogging-the-quran-sura-2-the-cow-verses-40-75/) Laura is absolutely right! ---------- Loving the LORD more every day
Hannah123aka Audrey
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FRANKV
565 posts Jul 02, 2009
10:50 AM
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Can someone explain to me where this topic or post is really driving at,to and how it evolved into the other references?.....I guess I must be daft... This one is wierd , at least to me. Rudeness???? i ,well?????.,,.,l;l><><><><><>< Oh, and Lucky,question, are you saying that the devil was giving therapy to Jesus? Or am I reading wrong in your initial post? Just asking. FrankV
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lucky
27 posts Jul 02, 2009
8:29 PM
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John 5:31,32 read this first right? then Matt 4:1, and there are other scriptures of this conversation, between the devil and Jesus. etc.I'm not anti-Jesus. but when the Devil was talking with him, about turning stones to bread, and leaping in faith that if he jumped off of the cliff that angels would come to carry him instead of him plunging to his death should he be the true son of God, an finally Jesus was offered all the kingdoms of the world; to be worshipped by them, and today many of this environments people worship Jesus, and still misunderstand his purpose, so does it mean he held out and accepted the best offer?, or does it mean that people have compromised his denial by worshipping him?, knowing full well that the Devil used this very thing as a temptation? And now that this is clear that he is now considered and recognized as the King of Kings, will he honour the true Lord of Lords,(the true and one and only Creator of all life material and immaterial) or will a battle ensue, regarding ownership, especially of the life forms? Not an arguement, because i know the bible says to be slow to wrath, right: Christians?
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moriah
268 posts Jul 02, 2009
8:55 PM
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Before you read my suggested answer may I suggest you to to this site and listen. This man is a man of God, who starts each session with Acts 17:11 http://www.khouse.org/6640/CD006-3/ 31If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth. You must try not to take anything out of context. Jesus is saying if he speaks for himself you would not listen, but there is another who you will listen to and the is John the Baptist. Matthew 4 1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. The things Jesus was asked to do where not within the will of God. ---------- Walking in Faith April
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Dr Leakey
291 posts Jul 02, 2009
9:47 PM
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hannah123...that is such an ignorant thing to say about Islam. That is not true! Statements like that were the cause of September 11. You have not learned anything from that event. Where in the Quran does it say "you must be a martyr to enter heaven"???????????? How would you feel towards the Jews if you lived in palestine? I am not saying that they are correct in their actions,but i can certainly see why they feel the way they do. I tried to make this point before but nobody can see the big picture. All this hatred and war and killing and Jihads and fatwas is all a result of faith.....the scourge of humanity!
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Laura
543 posts Jul 02, 2009
10:16 PM
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My, my our ignorance is showing, dr. Did you know that if you are Palestinian and have a baby in or are born in any Arab country it/you will not be given citizenship? Arabs don't want the lower classes to breed among them. Palestine was a country designated by the Ottoman Empire that is now called Jordan. Funny how their land got taken away by their own. I'm sure you could live there. I'd help pay your ticket. One way, of course.:) I believe there is even fireworks. You could say all these wonderful things to the leaders of said country and we could send your mail to the prison. You are a Canadian citizen. Start acting like one.
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Dr Leakey
293 posts Jul 02, 2009
10:23 PM
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What is your point Laura? How does being Canadian have anything to do with this topic???
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Laura
545 posts Jul 02, 2009
10:33 PM
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I expect more from the education you've been given not to mention the opportunities. I apologize to all that this creature lives in my country.
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Dr Leakey
305 posts Jul 02, 2009
10:55 PM
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I think that all i have said on this blog has really made you think about the fairytale you used to believe in. You know in reality i am making alot of sense. Im sorry but, the truth hurts.
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moriah
271 posts Jul 03, 2009
12:51 AM
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YOu are right about one thing Daniel, it has made alot of us search for answers for what we believe in, and by doing that has strengthened our faith in Christ. Thank you for that. ---------- Walking in FaithApril
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hannah123
372 posts Jul 03, 2009
12:12 PM
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Dr Leakey states: "hannah123...that is such an ignorant thing to say about Islam. That is not true! Statements like that were the cause of September 11. You have not learned anything from that event. Where in the Quran does it say "you must be a martyr to enter heaven"????????????" (Sigh...) Ok, Daniel Leakey, one more time... Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." Qur'an (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." Qur'an (2:207) - "And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..." Qur'an (61:10-12) "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." Qur'an (8:15-16) - "O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!" Daniel, THAT's where you'll find it, and many other places as well. But I know I'm wasting my time because you either don't read or don't understand. And April, you are so right! We have only strengthened our faith in finding responses to Leakey. Thanks for that. Doc. ---------- Loving the LORD more every day Hannah123aka Audrey
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jonzy
767 posts Aug 03, 2009
2:02 AM
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dear neighbour, i was moved to ask again," are you asking or telling"?___with love\peace/understanding of all neighbours, inside the body, and out side the body....daniel, the non-trinitarian, right-foot little toe, of the be-livers in the Body of the Lord Christ Jesus.
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Serge
1409 posts Aug 03, 2009
10:27 AM
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Islam is not a religion of peace, it kills everything that doesn't bow down to their false prophet and false moon god, even liberal muslims, here's a convincing video for all muslims or non-muslim to watch where a former muslim shares his journey through Islam. http://www.leestrobel.com/videoserver/video.php?clip=CCNT1460 Now folks, if these guys don't have the love of the Truth in them, or if they have a hard time with the Moral Absolutes of the Bible, why would we let them affect our JOY in the Lord? Leakey is right, the Truth hurts and i think he hurts that he cannot change God's mind about sin, punishment and hell, wanting us all to change our minds and consider his folly to be the truth because every lost cow on earth is blindly heading towards the cliff. Stop watching Oprah and Doctor Phil, Leakey, and stop drinking the cool aid of New Age religion and Indian philosophies and gurus. There is only One True Living God and you know it. You are in need of a Savior. Serge
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bill
698 posts Aug 03, 2009
10:57 AM
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There are too many Islamics in my community. They arrogantly build temples to stand above any of the Christian buildings. They deny the Quran, yet say they follow it. There is a copy of the Quran right here in the library from where I post. I have read some of it. It's too ridiculous to read. Leakey calls the Bible a fairytale?! He should read the Quran. I laughed out loud in the library reading the stupid thing and nearly got chastised. It reads like the writer was on drugs (and he was). And yeah, it does state that Islamics will get many women and go immediately to heaven if martryed. To die a martyr is at the top of their list. If anyone thinks Islam is a loving religion they have only to look at the Middle East to see it's just the opposite. The Muslims in my community have openly stated they fear the Christians because we have guns. They (Muslims) have nothing to fear but themselves. The local Christian community has reached out to them, but they shy from us. They don't want the love of God. They have the hate of the Quran. Every county--and history proves this out--that becomes Muslim is turned into termoil. Lebanon is a prime example. When Muslims were a minority the Christians, both Jew and Gentile, supported and backed them. After they gained control by numbers, they killed the very people who supported them. I, too, have put Oprah on the "do-not-watch" list. And I gave up on Phil a long time ago. (He's a buddy of Oprah.) Oprah always wants a "life-changing experience." I have one for her: come to Jesus Christ. Take Him as your Savior. Now THAT'S a life changing experience you'll never forget! In fact, it's an eternal experience. Leakey is still a lost cause. He loves the world and all that's in it too much. Sadly, he will suffer the Tribulation and still curse God. I have given up on him. Bill
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Dr Leakey
372 posts Aug 05, 2009
12:09 AM
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The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive,bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser;a misogynistic,homophobic,racist,infanticidal, genocidal,filicidal,pestilential,megalomaniacal,sadomasochistic,capriciously malevolent bully. Didnt your beloved Jesus say "hate thy mother and father". How dare you talk about other religions as if yours is so bloody perfect! Would you like some more quotes from the bible attributed to Jesus? Im sure you know the ones i am talking about.
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jonzy
774 posts Aug 05, 2009
12:32 AM
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yes dr leakey, let it out, and then ask your self if Christ Jesus's death on that cross was enough to back his MOUTH/words that if taken in context, are atributted to him; for as you know any words taken "out of Context" can /are twisted to back some peoples opinions/words.____religion is a tool used by all peoples in one form or another for both good and bad.While most are used for the well being of ones "team", it is the interaction of like-minded teams that some times produces Negative ressults._____with love\peace/understanding....p.s. still waiting on Lucky. as per post#767
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Serge
1423 posts Aug 05, 2009
10:49 AM
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Who were the people that the Lord asked to wipe out? Can you read with context or just take out verses out of context? How about following a Bible course with Chuck Missler, someone who truly teaches whaT WAS and knows what the CONTEXT was?
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bill
703 posts Aug 05, 2009
11:58 AM
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God took out Sodom and Gomorrah because of their anti-God actions and filthy living. Leakey is like so many others of the world: do what you want and there are no consequences. As the post Serge recently placed regarding Christ's second coming, the church is not long for this earth. I wonder what guys like Leakey, and those who go to church because "it's the thing to do" will be thinking and saying when the Rapture takes place. When Israel destroys it's neighbor enemies and Damascus, then seems at peace, and the European Union gains more power and control, look up, our redemption drawth neigh. I believe this is why it's so difficult to get to guys like Leakey, and why Satan puts guys like him on here.
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hannah123
405 posts Aug 06, 2009
10:04 AM
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All the characterizations that Dr.Leakey posted show a total lack of understanding of the Bible - to the point of ignorance and foolishness. But if we continue to argue at his level we are bringing ourselves down to his level as well. God hated the things that would ruin society. When a society rejected His laws, He gave them over to the very things they wanted and the result was the depraved society that Dr. Leakey extols. Bravo, Dr. Leakey! To be so blind to the 100% accuracy of Bible prophecy past and development in the present day is rare, even in atheistic circles. This is satanic vehemence, pure and simple. Oh, well, The Bible did predict this would happen in the end times ... ---------- Loving the LORD more every day Hannah123aka Audrey
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Dr Leakey
379 posts Aug 08, 2009
12:09 AM
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hannah123....the new testament was written so that it would allow these so called prophecies to appear real. Why are you so naive? My Characterizations above are totally accurate in describing your loving god. Did he not command genocide. Did he not command the complete annhilation of the Hittites,Amorites,Canaanites,Perizzites,Hivites and the Jebusites? Name anything you can think of that was as jealous as your beloved God! Was he not a misogynist. He sure acted like one! You probably rationalize his Characterizations above by telling yourself that he had justification for that behaviour. Is this what we should be teaching our children???? Name one Characterization above that he was not. He was all of those things,and more. Re-read your book!
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Serge
1435 posts Aug 08, 2009
11:44 AM
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Yes, you're right Leaky, God did indeed command to kill these nations because they were practicing infanticide, they were sacrificing their children to demons(Kemosh and Molok, they were worshipping things that were made by the hands of men and calling them their gods, how would you feel if your child starts loving the tv set more than you, calling it Daddy and refusing to even look at you? Wouldn't you want to slap that child silly? What you don't get is the presence of demons that had forced daughters of men to have sex with them and these women bore their aweful offsprings, that were evil constantly as described in Genesis 6:1-6, haven't you heard of the Nephilims? The fallen ones? the evil giants of those days? God had a good reason to want them wiped out, they were corrupt 24/7 and He wanted to make room for His people called and chosen to be an example for all nations but hey, they were humans too so they failed but God never stopped loving mankind, evil was created by man and sometimes God intervenes like He did for the best of everyone.
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Serge
1436 posts Aug 08, 2009
11:49 AM
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And how do you make 360 mprophecies happen acurately in time and place and go to your own death? And how would you explain the 1847 other prophecies concerning these days we're living being fulfilled acurately? Prove to me that Christ has not risen for if He has not risen, i would be believing in vain! Go ahead and try it! You won't be able to if you are really honest intellectually! Best Serge
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Chucky1146
1209 posts Aug 08, 2009
4:12 PM
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Why dose everyone keep responding to Dr. Leakey..He only gets everyone off the main topic and gets everyone hostile, and that is what he wants. Quit responding to him... If he makes a comment on a topic let it go, and do not respond to it....Your feeding the fire with fuel by responding.Lucky was asking questions...good questions...remember he has not read the Bible through. Help him, and quit playing around with Leakey. Jesus Bless! Chucky <*))><
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Dr Leakey
384 posts Aug 08, 2009
11:13 PM
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Serge...i believe the onus is on you to prove your fairytale...not me.
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Serge
1440 posts Aug 10, 2009
8:54 AM
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Nah, i believe you've read the Bible already and if you saw Jesus in person, that you would not want to bow down to Him, you're free to believe Him or reject His perfect love, it is not about what we know, it has more to do with Who we know, i am just a human being, He's God, you will have eternity to think about the conversations we have had, i'm done with you, may you come to understand that He truly loves you... Best Serge
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DeaconTyler
294 posts Aug 10, 2009
4:50 PM
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I think we all have tried our best to get Dr. Leakey to "see the light", as it were. While I believe there is something deep inside him that is prompting him to continue to do whatever he thinks he's doing here, he will not allow his mind to get out of the way so that his heart might be receptive to the Spirit of God. You can't "reason" your way into the kingdom of heaven, Dr. Leakey. All this debate is fine as far as it goes but it doesn't go far enough. God is after your heart. Where the heart goes the mind will follow. You must humble yourself & get your mind out of the way & allow your heart to take over if you ever hope to have an inkling of what this is all about. Otherwise all this debate with you is pointless. Tyler
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Rick
1146 posts Aug 11, 2009
2:19 AM
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Well said Ty The devil / lucifer was all about pride... > self The trend continues in many still. . ---------- It's all about Him !
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Chucky1146
1211 posts Aug 12, 2009
9:47 AM
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what i have been ALLOWED to read of the devil. First of all..I would like to know what you mean by saying..BEEN ALLOWED TO READ OF THE DEVIL..are you not allowed to read the Bible? ___________________________________________________________ Here is a verse that will tell you that the Devil Kills and Destroys.... Jhn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly. (KJV) The Devil here is represented by the THEIF... Jesus Bless! Chucky <*))><
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lucky
33 posts Aug 19, 2009
4:13 PM
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O.K. Chucky 1146 so you don't hate the devil either. doesn't mean to me that you should know how to choose between God and any other or the Devil and any other. and more important than that: Who is asking you to, a book only hopefully; leading to self.
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hannah123
422 posts Aug 20, 2009
9:56 AM
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Lucky, a few questions; What, exactly do you believe about the Devil? Where are you getting your information? If the Bble is the Word of God (and it is...), why shouldn't we know how to choose? We are given very clear instructions and very clear choices. By the way, the Devil (Satan, Lucifer, the Serpent) is real, smarter than we are, and looking for anyone he can succeed in turning away from God. WATCH OUT! James 4:7: ;"Resist the Devil, and he will flee from you". I think that gives you a hint as to what he's all about! I look forward to reading your answers. ---------- Loving the LORD more every day
Hannah123aka Audrey
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Laura
609 posts Aug 20, 2009
10:03 AM
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the devil hates you! he hates you so much that he doesn't want you to have any part here or in the next here of the grace and love God has promised to those who love HIM. The proof of this? .... try to get away from it, the devil. you can't! not alone, ever. See how far you can go by "self"...selfishness Then, go to the Book of God and see how you can free your spirit from the snares. not by anything you can do but by what has already been. to find self, one must find selflessness. who is selflessness? learn of the person selflessness. Learn of "Me" says the manual from "Emanuel"....find out who is the Great "I AM"....it's up to you and only you. your pardon has been granted, but, you must pick it up from the one who paid it for you. you must meet the one that gave it. who wants you not to have it? self doesn't think it is worthy. self is right. self is not worthy. take the journey with the keys to the Kingdom. the pit has no keys...why? you cannot know the cost lucky who won't reveal it's name so how can you know self. how many of you are there? how many names do you go by? you can't even name self. a coward dies many deaths...a brave one dies but once.
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Imeileen
2 posts Aug 23, 2009
8:47 AM
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It sounds like the word, "Self," is getting mixed in with the word, Flesh."
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bill
728 posts Aug 24, 2009
10:45 AM
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I'm back ... just in time for one of Leakey's "inspiring" treatises, no less! The guy's thought chain is connected to Satan. You can't get biblical reason out of a heathen. All that crap about the Koran. Blaspheies God and His Son. I once thought there was hope for Leakey, but I no longer believe it. Nothing is too tough for God, but some just have no hope of allowing Him to do anything for them, and that's Leakey. Bill
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lucky
35 posts Sep 01, 2009
8:59 PM
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hi, me lucky. hannah123; my information about my acts comes from my learning first how to comprehend what i read. I live in NYC and here, even at public school, there are reading comprehension exams starting @ grade school.(whatever) then, i learned 'respect' by getting beat on by a parent who called herself my mother. the Devil was not present when that happened. neither was god. neither was "Dad". [NOT asking for help. too late, just in case you still want to offer advice based on the knowledge of me, lucky.] I've been homeless most of my life, and it was not the devil that caused it. maybe it was God. I have had the capacity and the clairvoyance to understand just about every tragedy(?) at extensive lengths; suffering exists. and the devil did not do it, niether did god, right? the author of 'the bible' probably was an eye witness to the truth about god, and was murdered even before his name was known, and the dominance was so great that although the book is filled with eyewitness accounts to almost every digusting thing (tragedy) that a person can endure, [that is alive at human(for the lack of a better understanding)] That there is someone laughing at all who read and misunderstand the puzzle that it complicates its readers into understanding., when the path is lit, once you read it. or whatever. emissions control it knows you will fail, and because the author thought that he/she was the first and the last and all in between, that all will be submissive to him/her. the devil is a threat to this author because it(the readers) could not understand its meanings, its inuendos, its code, its concealments, its obviousness, anything about it, because the guilty; do, could not prevent themselves from the snares of anyone, not at all, not in any language, that's why all are born in sin, because the clock starts ticking at your debt at you are born: at such and such time, at such and such date. too young to know the tools to defend itself. it's hard changing your own diaper until you know you need to wear one. and usually by then you are expecting that someone else should have been doing that for you since they invited you and all. by the time you know about diapers and such you can't remember your own buttocks but are either changing the diapers of someone elses' child or your own, and then the reflection of youth happens. and still no god and no devil. why hate either one of these beings? \ the person that actually wrote the book the bible is regreting that he/she has had to live as long if not longer than the dumbest person that 'believes' that the book the bible is longer in time than man exists purely because of belief and understanding. time can be explained by numbers and words you know. there is some love beyond our ability to achieve, we always fall short of the glory....etc. how do you know that the Devil is not the one: the only one that knows how to fight for justice? and with all the hatred; especially the opinion of the righteous, the armour of god.etc... He might not be able to rescue anyone when they determine that god should have sent them an angel. when and before reading existed, maybe no right no wrong no threat of god or devil. i would suggest, and this will be the last that people reconsider "how to Hate" or resist or reproof. anyone.
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jonzy
799 posts Sep 02, 2009
2:03 AM
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dear neighbour, yes you Lucky from NYC; good to-day too you and yours.____you have a Father who Loves You, and HE is the Father that SENT His Son to Save You and i from the power of sin and death.___a humble, True Thought, that You/i can truely have Hope in.____You are correct, it is the words and actions that we Live-out each/every to-day, that determine if a person is free to live/love our neighbours._____with love\peace/understanding that i{daniel}, humbly try to glorify GOD, in the name of our Lord Christ Jesus, in this our TIME. A-human-kind____p.s.Lucky, you originaly asked for verse too back up thoughts - Romans chap. 15 : 1 thru 13.
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bill
735 posts Sep 04, 2009
10:51 AM
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lucky (sic), Satan was the dude doing those things to you when you were a kid. Look, my dad beat me too, most often for nothing I had done. But I knew there was a God because my mother and grandfathers told me. I went to church with her on Sundays. Regardless of what Satan dishes out in life, and he does control this world, Christ is there for refuge. Jesus died for you and for me. He said--not just a writer but Christ said--in John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me." Life will dish out misery, hurt, hate, confusion, even death. But for we who know Jesus Christ as our Savior, we can live a wonderful life here filled with His love. After death, we will eternally be with Him. Don't take my word for it: take His. Read John 3:3, John 14, John 8:12. Bill
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lucky
36 posts Sep 04, 2009
8:18 PM
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And Jesus said. Did i just get tempted by: "the; Devil?".Did i really just see all that was available at this particular measurement, and who will understand what i have to share?, because of take from me what i have. you thought it was valuable to self. not satan, not the devil, God perhaps. of course you're going to be miserable at the devil's house, i did not command him to be respectful to your happiness and desire. (ibkt) = only one boss. of all everythings.
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jonzy
800 posts Sep 05, 2009
12:31 AM
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dear neighbour, yes lucky, good tonight to you.____thank you for re-reading, and entering into an ex-chang of thought's, to self or others.____- and yes there is only 'one boss' at a time; and for the past "two days", 'That King Be I'= The Lord Christ Jesus. Whom be waiting, patiently for his 'foot stool', to be fully "formed". -For "GOD" so loved the world, that HE gave HIS only 'Begotten Son', that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting ' life '. For "GOD" sent not HIS Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be ' saved '.- John 3 : 16+17-, and please continue to re-read for your 'self ',-18+19+20+21._____this world, of Human kind, has been infected by the devil for far too-long; just a humble thought of this child of GOD.____with Love\Peace/Understanding....daniel....p.s. and as i found, was moved to find, the full explanation of "born again", can be easily seen by all in the words, - Being 'born again', not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of GOD, which 'liveth and abideth' for EVER.- 1 Peter 1 : 23 .____then re-read, what a 'born again' new creature, should do\live/breath.- chap. 2 .
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hannah123
426 posts Sep 05, 2009
2:04 PM
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Lucky, I'm sorry you have had such a difficult young life. No child should have to suffer what you and many others have suffered. I don't say this lightly. I admit, however, that I find some of your thoughts difficult to follow, but I can see that you are suffering still, and have much bitterness in you. I am not judging you. I care for you. Just know that Satan is real, powerful, and hateful, but he is still a creation of God. The fact that he chose to rebel and God allowed it shows how great God's Love really is. He allowed Satan to rebel instead of forcing him to follow God, despite how hurtful it was to the Creator. The Bible is clear that we now live in a fallen world, controlled by Satan. The world sinned, and God sent prophet after prophet to warn us of what would happen if we did not repent. Judgment has to come or God is not Who He says He is. But God also restores. Israel is proof. Satan knows this. He is the great deceiver. He wants us to feel guilt, despair, hatred, and will go to great lengths to accomplish his goals and thwart God, whom Satan hates. In contrast, Jesus came to save us by dying for us and gave us hope, love and eternal salvation. Most of us here have suffered the "slings and arrows" of Satan's arsenal in the past. Jesus has saved us from that if we follow Him. Philippians 4:4-7: "Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice. Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand. Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." You are in control of what you decide to do next. You can accept the suffering of Jesus and let Him give you new life, or you can choose not to. I pray that you will choose to live in Jesus because our souls are eternal and where we spend eternity is a HUGE decision. I pray the LORD that you will make the right one, Lucky. In love... Hannah123
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Dr Leakey
397 posts Sep 15, 2009
11:20 PM
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dear Lucky...first of all....there was no bible writer....it was written by many people over several hundreds of years...the first portion was written several generations after Jesus' death. The later parts were written by people who put their own spin on the story....they attributed sayings to Jesus that were not said by him. Read for yourself,the book is called" The jesus seminars" "The five gospels". The gospels contained in the Bible were selected out of a larger sample of at least a dozen including,Peter,Nicodemus,Philip,Bartholomew, and Mary Magdalene.The Gospels that didnt make it were omitted by those eccliastics perhaps because they included stories that were even more embarrassingly implausible than those in the four canonical ones.
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Serge
1513 posts Sep 16, 2009
8:55 AM
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The gnostic gospels, i mean dude, where do you shop for truth? Wal Mart, Sobeys? Let me laugh you funny guy! Tell me, did you watch the Da Vinci code? Dan Brown, Hollywood producer, i mean this guy knows so much about Jesus, right, yeah, Hollywood producer, yeah...sigh Those gnostic writings or filthy rags were written 200 years after Jesus' death, you poor deceived person, now get to a real Bible institute and study hard because those gnostic writings have always been known as fraud, please stop making a spectacle of yer...
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moriah
355 posts Sep 16, 2009
12:14 PM
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quote the first portion was written several generations after Jesus' death. quote Okay and what did the pharasees and Jesus quote from..um..things that make you think.. Check the bible before you speak---------- Walking in Faith April
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Cadiyn
158 posts Sep 16, 2009
3:25 PM
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Who causes suffering? Plain and simple....HUMANS We are all sinners, and if you really search and look back, suffering stems from the sin of man. Listening to you Lucky, you should be able to see that clearer than any of us.And "Loving" is not a mushy acceptance of a person AND ALL their actions. I love my kids, but I don't love it when they sin, and I would not be loving if I did not point it out to them. Amos 5:15a Hate evil, love good; Prov 8:13 To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech. Psalm 97:10 Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked.
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bill
754 posts Sep 18, 2009
12:01 PM
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Just what a guy like "lucky" needs, Dr. Darwin himself. (Get me a bucket. QUICK!)
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BytheGrace
4 posts Sep 25, 2009
7:40 AM
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Forgive me father, for I have sat here and allowed satan to lure me in and read all of these conversations and just realized that satan is using this thread to take my focus and everyone's focus off of you. You are the King of Kings and I am a sinner,and I pray that you will find the way into the hearts of the lost father and show them your mercy, and grace, and love as you can not relate to harming anyone of your children. Please reveal to these confused souls Lord as they need to know you father, and how your love and mercy could have these folks prospering and working for you father. We all have trials in our lives Lord as you put them there for us to learn from. I rebuke the work of satan in your name Lord and I pray Lord that all will realize that we all have family and moral issues due to the fact that our faith is short in you Lord and we are not that strong to defeat satan on our own. Show this man Lord that the past is over with and there is nothing he can do to change that, but with you Lord he can change his life from this very minute on and see and know what Love is Father? I ask that you be with all of the brothers and sisters in you Lord that you will bless their attempts to spread that Gospel, but father until a heart is surrendered to hear and desire the truth Lord ONLY you father and can bring this man to glory and I ask this in your heavenly name of Jesus? Amen!!! ---------- May the Lord place a hedge of protection around us all!!!BytheGrace Michael J. Merritt Sr.
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Chucky1146
1274 posts Sep 25, 2009
8:47 AM
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There is ONLY one God, and One Father, and His Son Jesus Christ who is God in the flesh, and the Comforter, the Holy Ghost who dwells in you... Only Jesus can save... No other religion on earth will get you to Heaven, no other individual will get you to Heaven..You can debate till you are blue in the face. I have no regard for any other religion or so called holy man, because if you are not serving Jesus Christ you are serving Satan. PERIOD! Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY you can get to Heaven/Paradise...All others are false. The sooner we Christians stop being mamze pamze and start sticking up for Jesus Christ the way false religions stick up for their god...the better. We Christians have to stop being afraid to get hurt, and start defending Jesus who DIED FOR US...WHY WOULD WE BE AFRAID TO DIE FOR HIM....IM NOT! Jesus Christ died for us, and set us FREE...Why are we so afraid to defend Him... As soon as someone threatens us we turn and run...We are afraid for our lives, we are afraid to get hurt, we are afraid for our families, and on, and on, and on...AFRAID of everything, and WE as CHRISTIANS should be afraid of NOTHING. Start standing up for the ONE Jesus Christ who you believe in or shut up. There is either Cold or Hot...remember there is NO LUKE WARM! Rev 3:15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. Rev 3:16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Chucky <*))><
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