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Wow... Just when I got that really happy feeling because I’m done with work ... I saw you website and [got sick]. The fact that you would call someone a creation scientist is ridiculous to say the least. What science are you doing? Where do you publish your works? How often are your results put up against an unbiased peer-review board? And how in, dare i say, “god’s name” do you get off at brainwashing children to believe your superstitious, astrological, irrational, primitive belief systems? Just when I thought I was having a good day. Get educated and EVOLVE!
—K., U.S.

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Thank you for contacting Answers in Genesis. I was saddened to read your email, as there is really no argument, but merely attacks to degrade. I pray this response will help you realize that such an attack has no merit, and that these types of questions can easily be answered. My hope is that you will take them to heart and realize the error of the humanistic worldview. This response is intended with sincerity and kindness.

Wow... Just when I got that really happy feeling because I’m done with work ... I saw you website and [got sick]. The fact that you would call someone a creation scientist is ridiculous to say the least.
Why is it ridiculous? Most fields of science were developed by creation-believing scientists of the past, such as Isaac Newton, Gregor Mendel, Louis Pasteur, and many others. They realized that an orderly God would create an orderly universe that made repeatable scientific testing possible. In fact, Francis Bacon, a creationist, developed the scientific method based on the idea of a God-made universe. But why, in a big bang, no-God, universe, would things be orderly?

What science are you doing?
Real science, unlike molecules-to-man evolution, which cannot be repeated or observed; for example, friends of ours have invented the MRI (Dr Raymond Damadian) and the Gene Gun (Dr John Sanford). Evolution, on the other hand, is far from scientific:

No one has been able to make life from non-life (matter giving rise to life, which is foundational to molecules-to-man evolution).
No one has been able to change a single-celled life-form like an ameba into a cow or goat.
No one has been able to repeat the big bang (which is foundational to molecules-to-man evolution).
We haven’t observed billions of new information-gaining mutations required to build the DNA strand and give rise to new kinds of life-forms.
Matter has never been observed to give rise to new information.
No one has observed millions of years of time progressing.
No one has found the billions of transitional fossils needed to help show the changes of one kind into another.
This isn’t to say that non-Christians can’t do science, but they are assuming the truthfulness of the Bible, perhaps even inadvertently, to do science. And of course, it’s silly to assume that all science is hinged to evolution. Data collection and analysis have nothing to do with origins and the inherent presuppositions of origins science.

Where do you publish your works?
With kindness, apparently you did not spend much time researching before asking such a question. We publish peer-reviewed, technical papers (ARJ), peer-reviewed, semi-technical articles (AiD), and, naturally, peer-reviewed, lay articles in Answers magazine and the website.

But beyond AiG, there are other places for technical discussion, such as the International Conference on Creationism and the CRS Quarterly, and many others. But many creation scientists have also published in secular journals—even I have.

How often are your results put up against an unbiased peer-review board?
If there were such a thing as unbiased, this would surely be an option. However, if you possibly think Science, Nature, and so on are unbiased, you have not done your research. These journals are obviously pushing for the religion of humanism. All review boards are biased because all review boards are made up of human beings. All the papers in ARJ, for example, go through a gauntlet of reviewers, most of whom are biased by their belief in the God of the Bible. We certainly don’t hide that. And many creation scientists have published in secular journals on non-origins related topics. But secular journals refuse to allow any research that does not affirm naturalistic explanations. It is common to find articles supporting tenants of the Humanist Manifestos and authors and editors who have signed the Humanist Manifestos within their pages. Since biblical creationists do not accept naturalistic explanations, it seems absurd to think that they would write as if they did—just to be published.

And how in, dare i say, “god’s name”
By saying this, it is fascinating and confirms two things. First, Romans 2:15 reveals that everyone has the Law written on their hearts. One part of the Law is that it is sinful to use the Lord’s name in vain. Your hesitation here is a good confirmation that the Bible is true. Why not in the name of Darwin, evolution, or mother nature, etc.?

Why is this important? Because man realizes that deep down, there is a God, and He is the highest authority. In light of this, I want to ask you to reconsider the evolutionary ideas that you may not have realized have been forced on you from a very early age. Note J. Dunphy’s words in the early 1980s:

I am convinced that the battle for humankind’s future must be waged and won in the public school classroom by teachers who correctly perceive their role as the proselytizers of a new faith: a religion of humanity that recognizes and respects the spark of what theologians call divinity in every human being. These teachers must embody the same selfless dedication as the most rabid fundamentalist preachers, for they will be ministers of another sort, utilizing a classroom instead of a pulpit to convey humanist values in whatever subject they teach, regardless of the educational level—preschool day care or large state university. The classroom must and will become an arena of conflict between the old and the new—the rotting corpse of Christianity, together with all its adjacent evils and misery, and the new faith of humanism.1
Please consider this and reevaluate the atheistic ideas that were forced on you by humanists who still hold you captive to their false philosophy.

do you get off at brainwashing children to believe your superstitious,
This is called projection—ironic, when humanists have been teaching their superstitions, such as asserting that single-celled organisms became dinosaurs and then chickens over millions of years, that truth doesn’t exist, that people are animals, etc. I doubt you’ve questioned their dogma. We do not want anyone who reads our materials to be brainwashed or to unquestioningly accept what we say. God doesn’t really need our help or for people to be brainwashed to believe in Him. It’s the opposite: one has to be brainwashed to not believe (Romans 1:20–25). We simply point to what the Bible teaches and do our best to understand the world in light of the what God says in His Word. Beyond that, children and adults should search the Scripture (which the Creator, Himself, is responsible for) for themselves to see if what we say lines up.

astrological,
Perhaps there is some confusion here; we are not astrologers and would join in arguing against this religion. Astrology is the belief that stars and other heavenly bodies can reveal the future. The Bible condemns such practice.

irrational,
How are we irrational? Besides, rationality comes from a biblical worldview. How can the materialistic evolutionist have a basis for the immaterial, such as logic and truth in the first place? In fact, they borrow from a biblical worldview when they even try to use logic.

primitive belief systems?
What do you mean by “primitive”? The Christian worldview has a basis for logic, truth, happiness, love, arts, science. It also explains how death and suffering are an intrusion into God’s originally perfect creation due to sin in Adam, and, mercifully, that God offers salvation and restoration through Christ. But what does an evolutionary worldview have to offer? The humanist religion teaches that you are rearranged pond scum, that lying and murder are neither right nor wrong, that we are likely headed for extinction, that life has no real meaning, and gives a flawed basis for logic, truth, happiness, science, etc.

Just when I thought I was having a good day.
What do you mean by “good”? This is a Christian concept where God sets what is good. In an evolutionary worldview, there is no such thing as “good.” But since you really seem to want goodness and happiness to exist (and I encourage this), then I suggest you find out more about God.

Get educated and EVOLVE!
Well, the use of “evolve” here is actually correct, but I would like to return this statement back to you in kindness. You have made several unresearched and incorrect statements and assume that we are ignorant simply because we do not share your presuppositions and beliefs about how the world came to be and the origin of life. Most of those working at AiG have college degrees—and many have advanced ones and from secular institutions. But true education starts with the right foundation—Jesus Christ (Colossians 2:3).

As a person made in the image of God, you can do so much better than simply believing you are an animal who has nothing to offer but ridicule. In fact, Jesus Christ, the Son of God, cared enough to step into history to die on a cross for people like you and me—who deserve the death He died for us. So, please take this to heart and reconsider the work of Christ, starting in Genesis.
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"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time" - Abraham Lincoln

I went to college. Many of the students were there to party, fluff their wings, so to speak, because it was the first time they were "out of the nest." I was going to take a couple religious classes but, since I was a born-again Christian, was advised against it.

The Bible tells us that in the days before Christ's return education will abound, and that man will think there is nothing he or she can't do. We are there!

K.U.S. is just such an example. Are we too late?

In Christ,
Bill

Hi Bill, nice to see you and to be back with you all.

Bill, yep, we are seeing the the end of it, they seek to destroy our witness so that their self```adoration can be validated in their brains, Truth or love of/for Truth isn`t part of their research, that is why when creation scientists question Darwinism, they get ostracised and ridilculed, not by true peers but by teachers that have accepted the lie because there is a lot of jobs out there that have their foundations on lies and deception and a great deal of them would lose their jobs if the foundation of their hiring was based on looking for truth and evidence wherever it leads.

The movie Expelled by Ben Stein was all about that and we got to realize that these guys need lots and lots of prayers.

Good job mates and the Lord bless you!

Serge

Bill

Blessings in Him

Serge

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Athiests, on the other hand, or Muslims, Jehovah Witness and any others who have been exposed to negative teachings or opposite teachings are the most difficult to lead to Christ, in my opinion and from my past experience, anyway.

No, I didn't feel you were being "too pessimistic," brother. Sometimes we can get that way when our results are not what we want for God. It's called impatience. But never, NEVER ask God to teach you patience. I did once. ... Ouch and WOW!

In the Lord,
Bill

In my working days, I was exposed to scientific minds when I attended Scientific conventions, and it truly was a one-sided exchange. No one would entertain a creatioist argument, I am sure. (I was not there in a scientific capacity but I had occasion to sit in on Symposia on occasion.)

That said, some of these people were "believers", but I got the impression that the book of Genesis was just a fable to them. I agree with Bill that these are the hardest to talk to. They are quite happy in their beliefs. They don't want us to rock the boat. In fact, they are usually kind, generous, and so on.

Those that hit rock-bottom are probably easier to convince that there is something better out there. At least they are likely to listen.

I am a university educated person and I can attest to the hard-headedness of people like me. No wonder Jesus told us to be as children!!!

Again, great posts, Vlad, Serge and Bill. Love you!!

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Loving the LORD more every day

Hannah123aka Audrey

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Yup, harder to witness to some groups but you know, this problem is non-existant for our Lord bro, we can still claim their souls for as children of the Almighty Creator, we often forget how much power there is in our obedience, our fear of the Lord and our prayers of intercession. You're a good man in the Lord dear Bill.

Love you too Audrey and i miss you and Brian!

Yes dear sister, it is so astonishing to see believers in Jesus that are so politicly correct that it kills their testimony, got a friend of mine in Arkansas who believes in Jesus and also in the millions of years. Scientificly, i don't know how Christians can defend that view, it is so damaging because it denies that 6 000 years ago, it all started as God spoke everything into action. The Hebrew word YOM for Day still means a 24 hours period.

The Lord Jesus bless you all

Serge

April

Another post on here stated the remains of Jerico have been discovered. What part of that aspect of the Bible isn't true? If you spent as much time reading and believing the Bible as you do trying to disprove it you'd spend eternity in heaven instead of hell.

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Response: There you go again, making statements based on error. We believers do not claim to have all the answers. We only claim to know the One who does have all the answers.

Leakey: “amassed an incredible amount of circumstantial evidence, which clashes with the biblical account. “

Response: You are correct on this issue. The evidence is circumstantial and would not stand up in a court of law. And it most certainly clashes with the Biblical record.

Leakey: “Yes we cannot go back in time to show it to anybody, but this is where a reasonable person is seperated from an unreasonable person.”

Response: That depends on your definition of “reasonable.” Webster’s dictionary, college edition defines reasonable as “agreeable to reason or sound judgement; rational.” Does the idea of chemicals in a primordial soup charged with electricity becoming a living cell which eventually gives rise to all the living plant and animal life on earth sound rational too you? Is that using sound judgement? Do you know anything of just what is involved in making a simple cell work, never mind anything more complicated? The whole “goo to you” scenario of evolution sounds more like a science fiction movie where anything can happen, but that is not real life. Evolution states that “the present is the key to the past.” Do we see happening today, what you claim happened in the past. No way! What new things are discovered every day will not back up you believe but only emphasize the deception in your imagination.

As the author of the article stated “You have made several unresearched and incorrect statements and assume that we are ignorant simply because we do not share your presuppositions and beliefs about how the world came to be and the origin of life.”
This would apply to you as well.

Growing in Him - Joanne

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All we are saying is, give the Bible its due credit. One can read in Genesis and see that some form of beings were on the earth when God made man, but they were not men of God.

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Response: Did you not read what I wrote? We do not have all the answers. I don't know everything and I do have questions. But just because I have questions does not make me doubt my faith in the One who has all the answers.

Leakey: “God created it,it was miraculous. You dont have to think about what is logical or reasonable.”

Response: There you go again - you didn't really read what I wrote. You seem to be implying that evolution is logical and reasonable. Fred Hoyle stated, regarding the creation of biomolecules from a pre-biotic soup, that “This is akin to the probability of a tornado moving through a junkyard resulting in the assembly of a complete Boeing 747.”

Put another way the origin of life from non-life still defies probability and has been estimated that this occurring is one chance in one followed by over 5000 zeroes. So it would be harder than guessing a correct 5000-digit PIN on the first go. And that’s just for one cell!

Give me a break! Do you think my brain is made of mush that I would believe such a guess to be reasonable and logical?

Your world view enables you to believe such a fairy tale as my world view enables me to believe that an all-powerful, superior intelligence created everything complete and fully functional. By-the-way the fossil record bears this out.

Growing in Him - Joanne

""AprilMoriah...The fossilised bones found mostly in Africa,suggest there was an upright walking hominid several million years ago. How do you reconcile this with what the bible says? If these were not the fossilised remains of our ancestors,then what were they? Nothing else on the planet is bipedal. Is it not a logical assumption to think that these creatures are what they appear to be? I cannot argue the reliability of radio carbon dating as we know it is not 100% accurate,but surely it gives an approximate age of these fossils. Please dont start questioning the credibility of RCD.I know it is not infallible,but when we are talking about millions of years,100,000 is not really relevant. Do you agree?"

This statement or question totally disagrees with what you answered under the 6000 year question. Because in there you say you dont understand it, so because you dont understand it we throw it out. I think not

April