What does the Bible and Jesus (same thing) have to say about Sabbath worship.

Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. 28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Colossians 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Acts 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. 8 There were many lamps in the upper room where they[a] were gathered together.

1 Corinthians 16: 1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: 2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come. 3 And when I come, whomever you approve by your letters I will send to bear your gift to Jerusalem.

The Apostles saw it fitting to meet together on the Day the Lord Rose.

Christ made a point in all the Gospel passages when He healed on the Sabbath, that He was the Fulfillment of that Day.

Quote: "Jesus died on wednesday and rose from the dead on the Sabbath(saturday) and assended into heaven on the first day of the week (sunday). Just like the scriptures say that just as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of a whale so shall the sun of man. You can't get 3 days and 3 nights from good friday to easter sunday morning. The reason that the apostles gather on the first day of the week was that they just finished their shabbat and were eager to continue on in the word. You have to remember that the start of a day by Gods calender is at sunset and not midnight. Therefore the first day of the week starts at sundown saturday night."

Matthew 27: "1 When morning came, all the chief priests and elders of the people plotted against Jesus to put Him to death."

Matthew 27: "50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. "

Matthew 27: "57 Now when evening had come, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus."

Matthew 27: "62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’"

Matthew 28: "1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb."

You will find a duplicate account in Luke 23 and 24. It's pretty explicit.

As noted by Matthews chronology Jesus died on Friday afternoon, and rose from the dead on Sunday morning. You are correct in stating the Jewish day started at sundown. A partial day was still reckoned as a day in Hebrew accounting of days, so it is not incorrect to say Jesus was dead for three days.

I find it fitting that Jesus' Work was finished on the sixth day and He "rested" on the seventh. The first day of the week began a "renewed" Creation for us.

In Christ,
ductape

Luke 23 56 Then they returned and (AZ)prepared spices and perfumes And (BA)on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment.

Mark 16 1(A)When the Sabbath was over, (B)Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, (C)bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.

Mathew 12 40for just as (AR)JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will (AS)the Son of Man be (AT)three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

You can't get 3 nights from good Friday to Easter Sunday morning( that equals 3 days and TWO nights) Passsover(A HIGH sabbath)occurred on Wed. and the weekly Sabbath was the usual Sat. This is shown in the above scriptures quoted. One states that they bought spices before the Sabbath and the other states that they bought spices after the Sabbath. Hence TWO sabbaths over 3 days. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath he rose on the Sabbath.
Mathew 12 7
For (G)the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

Quote - "If you research the history of Eastar(the bare breasted fertility goddess) you will find out that her fairy tale story fits perfectly with the Friday to Sunday time table.
Jesus would never rise from the dead on SUNday in honour of pagon sun god worship. I to once thought that Jesus died good friday and rose easter sunday. It sure was an eye opener for me and it made me think of what other lies were handed down to me from one generation to the next. "

I stand by the account as recorded in the Bible, and the Hebrew accounting of days. Sometimes it is difficult for us to understand passages and numbering systems, because our culture is so different. If you were to read the account of Jonah and his time in the whale, it doesn't specify three whole days and three whole nights either. It could well have been the same timeframe as the Crucifixion. Neither of these two accounts were contested (by time or by comparison) by those who were contemporary to the time.

We should be able to get through our whole life with only the Bible. Outside references are helpful, but should only be used if they support the plain reading or hearing of the Bible by anyone - including a two year old.

Because Jesus is the Creator of the universe - He could Rise on any day He thought was right. He has/had no respect of pagan worship, and would never let them hinder His Work.

In Christ,
ductape

BUT there is NO 3rd night at all in good friday to easter Sunday morning!! You have Friday night and Saturday night. Where is your 3rd night or partial night as you are so called assuming. From Friday afternoon to early Sunday morning is only approx 36 hrs(1 1/2days). Gods way gives you the full 72 hrs(3 full days and 3 full nights)(wed afternoon to Sat afternoon) Please tell me where your 3rd night came from or went to?

Duct tape wrote:
We should be able to get through our whole life with only the Bible. Outside references are helpful, but should only be used if they support the plain reading or hearing of the Bible by anyone - including a two year old.

Because Jesus is the Creator of the universe - He could Rise on any day He thought was right. He has/had no respect of pagan worship, and would never let them hinder His Work.

All my references are from the Bible. I have to respectfully disagree with you on the 2 yr old understanding the entire Bible. The more you study the Bible the more God reveals things to you. It is a life long journey. Again I say.
Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath.

Ductape wrote:
Matthew 28: "1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb."

The reason that they came after the Sabbeth was that it was forbidden to travel or work on the Sabbeth. Also remember that the first day of the week starts at sunset Saturday night.

Ductape wrote

You are correct in stating the Jewish day started at sundown.

It is not the Jewish day...it is GOD's day. Man is the one who changed the time of a new day, new month and new year. You can find all this in the book of Genesis.

Ductape wrote;
As noted by Matthews chronology Jesus died on Friday afternoon, and rose from the dead on Sunday morning.

There is no mention of the actual day(friday or Sunday).
You are just assuming this to be correct cause somebody told you.
Pray about this with an open heart and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the true to you.

Force

Those words in Matt. 12:40 were Jesus' words, - not man's. You need to determine EXACTLY how long Jonah was in the belly before you compare it with what Jesus said His time in the tomb would be, before you disagree with Him. Again, there never was any disagreement amongst the contemporaries of the day.

If you read a passage to a two year old, he/she should understand it as written and explained. You read/tell as to the audience you have. You have to start somewhere.

The "Day of Preparation" is/was the day before the Sabbath. So, Friday. Again, there is no contest between theologians as to the three days in the tomb from then until now. Well, except for a few over the years. Being "literal" is one thing, but being literal past the text and custom of the day is another thing.

Please re-read Matthew and Luke's accounts. Hopefully you will see I am not assuming anything. I'm not using a different day at all.

In Christ,
ductape

Read the account in John 19 as well as Luke and Matthew.

I really don't know how much more simple it can be written or articulated. Remember, the Hebrews counted their days differently than we do. A partial day was still reckoned as a full day.

Sorry, but if you can't "figure" it out, it might be something you will just have to believe.

Ductape wrote:
The "Day of Preparation" is/was the day before the Sabbath. So, Friday. Again, there is no contest between theologians as to the three days in the tomb from then until now. Well, except for a few over the years. Being "literal" is one thing, but being literal past the text and custom of the day is another thing

The day of preparation can either be before the Sabbath OR a High or Holy Sabbath like Passover, Sukkot, Yom Kippur,etc. Jesus came as a Jewish Rabbi and Not a Christian Pastor. You have to remember that God has Spring Feasts(passover) and Fall Feasts(Sukkot) NOT Easter or Christmas. The spring feast was the first coming of Jesus and the fall feast is the second coming of Jesus.
So as stated by ionzy the day of preparation was tuesday for the feast of Passover which was Wed.

Ductape wrote:

really don't know how much more simple it can be written or articulated. Remember, the Hebrews counted their days differently than we do. A partial day was still reckoned as a full day.

It is NOT how the Hebrews counted their days its how GOD counts days.Show me in the scriptures where a partial day counts as a full day. That is man made lie to make the scriptures work for them. But if you are correct,you still haven't told me where your 3rd night came from. The reason you can't is there is no third night or partial night.

In Christ
Force

Hi ionzy, Jesus rose from the dead on sat. just before sundown, not sunday morning. He was put in the grave just before sunset on wed because the Jews knew that you can't do any work on a High Sabbath. This gives you almost exactly 3 days and 3 nights. Remember my previous post that Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath. So He rose from the dead on Sat. but assended into heavan on sun. to offer our Father the First Fruits(which is another Spring feast of the LORD) which were the saints that previously died.

Force

6"Don't be alarmed," he said. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here.

. No where in the scriptures does it say ON THE FIRST DAY of the week he rose from the dead. It just states that he was already gone by the time the women arrived. The reason the women weren't there earlier was that they were not allowed to travel to the grave because they were honouring the Sabbath.
You also stated that Jesus was crucified on Wed. and then buried after sunset which would make it the next day. There is no where in the scriptures that say Jesus died on one day and was buried the next as you assume to make it work out your way. If you count from wed. to sun. you get 4 days and 3 nights.

jonzy wrote;
in this neighbour hood of the streamtv, we/they practice the LOVE of GOD as individualy moved by the Holy Spirit, practicing the same LOVE for each other as GOD did/does for man kind,yes even his only begotten Son the Lord Jesus Christ

jonzy I love you and ductape so much I am trying to share the truth with you and not some ly that was past down from generation to generation.

Force

I'm not sure I would call this a "lie". There are a great many theologians who do not question the Friday to Sunday at all, and I'm sure the question has been asked countless times over the centuries by theologians and laity. Besides, I don't think there are devastating consequences even if the majority of believers over the time span involved had it wrong. We do want the Truth though, and it is there that I would tend to believe that the majority over 2000 or so years would have likely got it right. Especially since this is the core and whole focus of our religion.

You say"Besides, I don't think there are devastating consequences even if the majority of believers over the time span involved had it wrong."

Mathew 15 9They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'

Back in 321 AD the Roman empire Constatine combined the pagon church with the Jewish believers. This was the start of the Christian church and if you didn't do his way you were killed. It's all in the Encyclopedias. Here is a link to some info http://www.thercg.org/books/ttooe.html . I don't believe for a second that they have it 100% right but it's a start. No one has it 100% right because this would lead to pride. There are many sites on the internet that have a wealth of knowledge on this topic. Google something like "should Christians keep Easter"

Easter, This is a description of an ancient Babylonian family—2,000 years before Christ—honoring the resurrection of their god, Tammuz, who was brought back from the underworld by his mother/wife, Ishtar (after whom the festival was named). Ishtar was actually pronounced “Easter” in most Semitic dialects.

My Jesus died on Wed. and rose from the dead on the Sabbath. Who are people worshipping when they celebrate Easter?
Jeremiah 10 1 Hear what the LORD says to you, O house of Israel. 2 This is what the LORD says:
"Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the sky,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3 For the customs of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.

4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter

I guess my point is that Satin always has a counterfit to the real thing. BTW on a side note did you know that Jesus was born Sept 23 2 BCE. Some messianic beleivers in Isael used a computer program similar to what NASA uses to launch satilites and space ships to figure it out. They used new moon dates as well as previous solar eclipses that were recorded in history to determine his birth. Kinda of kool knowing that in the end times knowledge will increase and we as believers could benefit from it

The person of the Holy Spirit is our teacher of all things. He leads us into all truth. He does not lead us to "blame anyone" but to lead us into all truth.

God does not lie.

The Scriptures speak to us on an individual basis.

Some things are of interest historically and/or traditionally.

Something's unite the believers. Something's divide believers.

We are all sinners. If we say we are not the truth is not in us. 1John 1 (this would include liars)

First, Our Father shows us the ugliness in ourselves. If we miss this, then we have a tendency to blame it onto someone else.

Let's get on with how to love our neighbor and most important; "Love God with all of our heart, mind, soul and strength."

Let us be careful that our posts are not designed to just find out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Whoops, my traditions are showing.

:)

Galatians is one book that helps us with regard to traditions.

Psalm 116:11 is so good food for this word lie.....

That being said, we as Christians still need to give an answer to those who ask, (Peter 3:15) and so it is on that premise that it becomes interesting. To search out truth even in this matter can reveal other answers we are searching for too. And so I will be researching this some more. Sometimes, stuff like this can plant doubt in some people minds as to the validity of the event.

I've been present at questions like these before, and was always given and answer that made total sense, and so never had reason to question it further. There are some interesting comments made here, and I found some articles on the internet, but so far in my reasearch (1 day), I have not found anything convincing to contradict the Friday to Sunday celebration we observe today. In fact the Biblical text seems to reinforce it. Right now I'm looking at some ancient calendars, and I hope to be able to learn something from them. It's good stuff.

I suspect the date of Jesus Birth was probably sometime in October too. His date of conception was more likely closer to what we celebrate as Christmas today. It does make better sense, but we had to pick a day to celebrate, and December 25 is not a wrong date. It is no more a "lie" than our Easter today. I don't think it was determined by NASA technology or computers today, but from Biblical scholars who correlated the Bible' geneologies and other ancient writings and events, and wrote them down. One person who comes to mind is Archbishop James Ussher, although there were many, many others.

In Christ,
ductape

Mark 16:9 says:
“Now when He rose early on the first day of the week”

Then Luke 24:13 says:
“Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem.”

Verse 21 continues:
“...we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.”

If we put our eyes on Jesus, the truth is always there, their, and they're.
(this is for my Jonsy:)

For the Jew, the Sabbath was the day of worship. For the gentile Sunday was the day of worship. When Jesus said "Love your neighbor" did He mean all of the time? When he said;"Love God with all your mind, heart, soul, and strength, did He mean one day of the week?

Force, I feel bad that your energy is wasted on the stupidity of man.
Jesus instructed us all to forgive. Did he mean past or present or both?

All of us, past and present have fallen short. Let us look upon what is pure, what is holy. Let us all marvel at the things God has done and keeps doing.

For the Jew, the Sabbath was the day of worship. For the gentile Sunday was the day of worship.

Can you please quote scripture to back your opinion.

Act 20:7 And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread......

In context Acts10 through to Acts 20 give you the problems in the new Church. Some of which we all still argue about. The Holy Spirit makes it clear that He is no respecter of persons or Jewish traditions when it comes to salvation. The Hebrews wanted to have the gentiles circumcised before they could become followers.

Now as for the day, everyday is the Lord's Day. Not one. If one day is chosen then what are we all doing on the others days? Are we not worshiping all of the time with our bodies as temples?

I find it significant that the enemy can use the law to have believers be drawn back into bondage. We have a manual to instruct us on all behaviors. His name is also Emmanuel and the book is about Him. :)

In Mat 9:13 Jesus says:"But go and learn what this means; I desire mercy and not sacrifice.....

Jesus fulfills the law in us as we can do nothing without Him. The law is now a comfort and not to be fought over. Rom 2:11 (all of Romans is so good here)

I also find it significant that no one argues about what day Jesus ascended into heaven or what day Pentecost fell on. Maybe it's because it is just enough to know that it happened.

Do you really think Cornelius was the first?

Luke was not a Jew yet he did a pretty good job with the gospel of Luke and I'm sure he was a believer.:)

Mat 8:8-13 talks about the centurian.
Mar 7:26 The woman was a Greek
The thief on the cross...
Just a few of the believers but can we imagine all that saw Him and believed on Him. Amen

Oh, and ductape has more Scripture on the issues of the first day in the post about "do we obey God or the papacy.
It is true that it began in Book of Acts. Can you imagine a kosher Jew sitting with a gentile.:) But then, they saw Jesus hug a leper...so like Wow!

In Acts, the new church was integrating the gentiles with the Jews. Paul was the gentile's pastor. The books of Acts was written by Luke a gentile. The content is about some of our discussion.

So, now the Jew/gentile has become a believer in Christ and we no longer belong to ourselves. Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Jesus was no respecter of persons.
Rom 2, Eph 6:9, 1Pe 1:17, 2Pe 2:11 2Pe 3:11, Jud 1:16

Do not make an idol of the Jewish nation.
Worship only God not the people who serve Him.